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RE: God is above conventional reason
February 18, 2013 at 9:40 am
(February 18, 2013 at 7:34 am)Ryantology Wrote: I don't recall any mention of God being outside of time and space, that he created time, anywhere in the Bible.
1st sentence. In the beginning I am. (Literal translation). God = I am. Always present/timeless/omnipresent/the alpha and the omega.
You're shoe horning a modern scientific/naturalist understanding onto a culture that lacked that. You call them ignorant of naturalistic scientific information when the subject of their information still relevant to you in no way addresses science. Scientific understanding is a moving target. It would have been illogical for God to have imparted such understanding. <-- that would limit it to a single timeframe in human history.
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RE: God is above conventional reason
February 18, 2013 at 10:01 am
(February 18, 2013 at 6:53 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Ooh a challenge! Unfinished business get out clause alert.
(February 18, 2013 at 12:36 am)Question Mark Wrote: The intrinsic problem with this argument is that if indeed your god is above our ability to measure, demonstrate, or even identify, then what grounds do you have to even say that it exists? If it's above our understanding, how do you even know that it's there? You cannot identify it using the scientific method because it is supernatural: outside the bounds of science.
That it is beyond our understanding does not mean we know nothing about it. That would be a different description, like: "completely unknowable". <- Did you see that description in Christian literature anywhere? Me neither.
How is it that you and other religiously inclined people know about god?
If you believe it, question it. If you question it, get an answer. If you have an answer, does that answer satisfy reality? Does it satisfy you? Probably not. For no one else will agree with you, not really.
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RE: God is above conventional reason
February 18, 2013 at 12:55 pm
Fr0d0, you seem to be shoehorning yourself into an epistemological black hole. How would it be possible to gain any justified knowledge of God under your scenario?
All, everything that I understand, I understand only because I love.
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RE: God is above conventional reason
February 18, 2013 at 2:42 pm
(February 18, 2013 at 10:01 am)Question Mark Wrote: How is it that you and other religiously inclined people know about god? By faith (acting upon trusted information).
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RE: God is above conventional reason
February 18, 2013 at 2:47 pm
(February 18, 2013 at 2:42 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: By faith (acting upon trusted information).
What trusted information is that?
If you believe it, question it. If you question it, get an answer. If you have an answer, does that answer satisfy reality? Does it satisfy you? Probably not. For no one else will agree with you, not really.
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RE: God is above conventional reason
February 18, 2013 at 2:52 pm
(February 18, 2013 at 2:47 pm)Question Mark Wrote: What trusted information is that?
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RE: God is above conventional reason
February 18, 2013 at 2:53 pm
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(February 18, 2013 at 2:52 pm)Zone Wrote: (February 18, 2013 at 2:47 pm)Question Mark Wrote: What trusted information is that?
I believe the question specified "trusted information".
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RE: God is above conventional reason
February 18, 2013 at 2:55 pm
Why would anyone trust the bible?
If you believe it, question it. If you question it, get an answer. If you have an answer, does that answer satisfy reality? Does it satisfy you? Probably not. For no one else will agree with you, not really.
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RE: God is above conventional reason
February 18, 2013 at 3:16 pm
That's the process. You scrutinise it and test it for consistency. Having understood what it means you can move to trust it to be true. Still you don't believe, as belief is acting upon your trust.
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RE: God is above conventional reason
February 18, 2013 at 3:18 pm
I don't believe that it's true though. I find it incredibly inconsistent, for instance
If you believe it, question it. If you question it, get an answer. If you have an answer, does that answer satisfy reality? Does it satisfy you? Probably not. For no one else will agree with you, not really.
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