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RE: If Not Hell then what?
April 25, 2013 at 2:44 pm
(April 25, 2013 at 2:28 pm)Drich Wrote: Hell is billed as a terriable place but that is from the persepective of those who want to be apart of creation. i have said that not everyone wants to be apart of creation, and the only way that can happen is in hell.
Quick correction to avoid confusion. I think you mean to use "a part" instead of "apart." They are words/phrases that mean the opposite of each other.
Someone who wants to be "a part of god" wants to be with god. Someone who wishes to be "apart of god" wants to remain separated from him.
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
April 25, 2013 at 2:48 pm
(April 25, 2013 at 2:28 pm)Drich Wrote: (April 25, 2013 at 12:12 pm)justin Wrote: No we don't drich. I don't, my children don't, my family, you don't, your loved ones don't, very few percentage deserve to burn and the majority that do happen to work for the RCC. I feel sorry that you have this view of people because of what your religion tells you. No one is going to hell. It was made up to scare you into stepping in line and not rebel against the nonsense the religions teach.
If Hell scares you then you do not understand the full nature of biblical Christianity. Hell is not the motivator people in the 'hell fire churches' make it out to be. Hell is merely the alternitive to spending an eternity with a God you want nothing to do with.
Hell is billed as a terriable place but that is from the persepective of those who want to be apart of creation. i have said that not everyone wants to be apart of creation, and the only way that can happen is in hell.
We from birth (or shorty there after depending on what you believe) are all slated to be seperated from God and creation for eternity. (want or deserve has absolutly nothing to do with that) The only way not to be seperated from God is to choose to be with God for eternity. That's it that's all. Either you do or your don't, if you do then follow what Christ says do. If you don't stay your current course.
Drich that isn't how the christian hell is defined. Seems to me you just ignore a lot in your book in order to fit what you want to hear.
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
April 25, 2013 at 2:58 pm
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(April 25, 2013 at 2:34 pm)Esquilax Wrote: So what actually happens in this idea of hell you've got As per my experience and (to a lessor extent) what the bible actually says we are consumed by the hell fire/darkness. Meaning (personally speaking) the loss of our status as a member of creation coupled with the loss of the Love and honor we could have had with God, causes a mental break when the weight of an eternity it is paired with the mental anguish that is being experienced from being ripped from creation. (How long this will take I believe will be determined on How Long God feels you should suffer for your sins)
It is not pleasent, for me I was on my way out before I completely passed through the gates of Hell. Granted I did have a sense that some part of me would remain, but what makes me, me. I ablity to think and reason was consumed and burnt up by Hell fire (for the lack of a more accurate term, as Hell fire was not actual fire, but it did envoke the same type of emotional response, as being consumed or burned up by fire)
Quote:and, more importantly, how are we to differentiate this binding truth of reality you've got there from every other claim about hell that is, accordingly, merely opinion?
You read your bible. Before this I though as Dante taught us to think of Hell, but after my experience (in order to dismiss it) I researched Hell in the bible pretty agressivly and found what I experienced to be scripturally supported.
The bible says Hell is Forever, and that the Devil and his buddies are to be punished there (not rule) forever. Everytime we are mentioned in relation to Hell we are consumed or burned up by the intense "fire" of Hell. Or it is refered to as our second death. (First death, resurrection to judgement, second death.)
(April 25, 2013 at 2:48 pm)justin Wrote: (April 25, 2013 at 2:28 pm)Drich Wrote: If Hell scares you then you do not understand the full nature of biblical Christianity. Hell is not the motivator people in the 'hell fire churches' make it out to be. Hell is merely the alternitive to spending an eternity with a God you want nothing to do with.
Hell is billed as a terriable place but that is from the persepective of those who want to be apart of creation. i have said that not everyone wants to be apart of creation, and the only way that can happen is in hell.
We from birth (or shorty there after depending on what you believe) are all slated to be seperated from God and creation for eternity. (want or deserve has absolutly nothing to do with that) The only way not to be seperated from God is to choose to be with God for eternity. That's it that's all. Either you do or your don't, if you do then follow what Christ says do. If you don't stay your current course.
Drich that isn't how the christian hell is defined. Seems to me you just ignore a lot in your book in order to fit what you want to hear.
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
April 25, 2013 at 3:02 pm
That sounds awful.
Glad it doesn't exist.
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
April 25, 2013 at 3:08 pm
One who keeps their head up their ass will never see the light of day no matter how bright it is outside.
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
April 25, 2013 at 3:10 pm
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(April 25, 2013 at 3:08 pm)justin Wrote: One who keeps their head up their ass will never see the light of day no matter how bright it is outside.
What are you talking about?
You said, I am not repersenting the bible version of Hell. If you are, all I am asking for is the bible verses that support your assertion.
(April 25, 2013 at 3:02 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: That sounds awful.
Glad it doesn't exist.
Funny!!
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
April 25, 2013 at 3:17 pm
(April 25, 2013 at 2:58 pm)Drich Wrote: As per my experience and (to a lessor extent) what the bible actually says we are consumed by the hell fire/darkness. Meaning (personally speaking) the loss of our status as a member of creation coupled with the loss of the Love and honor we could have had with God, causes a mental break when the weight of an eternity it is paired with the mental anguish that is being experienced from being ripped from creation. (How long this will take I believe will be determined on How Long God feels you should suffer for your sins)
It is not pleasent, for me I was on my way out before I completely passed through the gates of Hell. Granted I did have a sense that some part of me would remain, but what makes me, me. I ablity to think and reason was consumed and burnt up by Hell fire (for the lack of a more accurate term, as Hell fire was not actual fire, but it did envoke the same type of emotional response, as being consumed or burned up by fire)
Surprisingly, this doesn't seem any more fair or justified... Not that I think this'll make any difference to you. I do find it interesting that you've decided "consumed by hellfire" isn't a literal description... for no apparent reason other than you don't want it to be. 
For someone who's very quick to request chapter and verse from everyone else, it's surprising you were unable/unwilling to provide one here.
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
April 25, 2013 at 3:23 pm
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
April 25, 2013 at 3:38 pm
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(April 25, 2013 at 3:17 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (April 25, 2013 at 2:58 pm)Drich Wrote: As per my experience and (to a lessor extent) what the bible actually says we are consumed by the hell fire/darkness. Meaning (personally speaking) the loss of our status as a member of creation coupled with the loss of the Love and honor we could have had with God, causes a mental break when the weight of an eternity it is paired with the mental anguish that is being experienced from being ripped from creation. (How long this will take I believe will be determined on How Long God feels you should suffer for your sins)
It is not pleasent, for me I was on my way out before I completely passed through the gates of Hell. Granted I did have a sense that some part of me would remain, but what makes me, me. I ablity to think and reason was consumed and burnt up by Hell fire (for the lack of a more accurate term, as Hell fire was not actual fire, but it did envoke the same type of emotional response, as being consumed or burned up by fire)
Surprisingly, this doesn't seem any more fair or justified... Not that I think this'll make any difference to you. I do find it interesting that you've decided "consumed by hellfire" isn't a literal description... for no apparent reason other than you don't want it to be.
For someone who's very quick to request chapter and verse from everyone else, it's surprising you were unable/unwilling to provide one here. No one has asked me to provide book Chapter and verse. As i said I extensivly researched Hell after my experience and can provide you with as much as the bible has to say on the matter.
As Far as not liking the term Hell fire, it is as you say a matter of perference. In that I never saw anything that resembles fire. However 'hell fire' envokes the emotion being burned.
I guess if you wanted to look at it from that perspective that hell is a flamless fire unique to the experience of Hell, then 'hell fire' becomes a more accurate term.
(April 25, 2013 at 3:23 pm)justin Wrote: Here just causI like iI like ya drich
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_Hell
I am not looking for a wiki, nor a 'christian' view on Hell. I am looking for specific book Chapter and verse that condradicts what i have said about Hell.
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RE: If Not Hell then what?
April 25, 2013 at 3:42 pm
(April 25, 2013 at 3:38 pm)Drich Wrote: I am not looking for a wiki, nor a 'christian' view on Hell. I am looking for specific book Chapter and verse that condradicts what i have said about Hell.
If you looked at the Wiki, instead of being lazy, you would have seen that the wiki mentioned the biblical verses.
Matthew 10:28
Mark 9:43
2 Peter 2:4
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