If Not Hell then what?

[The Reality Salesman01]

If you believe Hell...

What? Nope, that sounds awful. Who do you suppose came up with that?

God

Oh that all powerful thing you keep talking about?

what would you suggest God do with those who do not want to serve

Hold on, lets go back...I thought you said he was all powerful, couldn't he design paradigm that operates under different principles? Why does he care or feel it necessary to punish his projects? Maybe he should just leave them be?

Leave them be what? Dead?

Better than the alternative. It sounds pretty cruel...

...you believe Hell to be immoral or just plain wrong...

Yeah! Can you imagine if I started making new animal breeds in a lab by replicating and splicing random animal DNA and then just started smashing them if things like my bird-dog didn't fly, but was still perfectly healthy! Couldn't I just turn them loose or something? Wouldn't the animal rights people be banging down my door hand in hand with Christians telling me I was going to hell?!! Oh wait...here we are again...

...serve him for eternity?

lol, what? That's what he wants? If anything I've heard today accurately describes the God your talking about...His almighty-ass can go fuck himself.

[Mister Agenda]

What makes my personal version of righteousness less valid than God's?

Maybe because you're not God. See this is what happens when you deny God. You start to think you can take His place by making yourself into your own god. You're really pathetic.

It's people who claim to speak for God and think all they have to say is 'God agrees with me' to make any notion they've dug out of a Bible verse justified that are pathetic. Someone who rejects what they're told about God's morals isn't making themselves into God, they're just rejecting what believers are saying about God.

God is not participating in this discussion, if the biblical God exists, he chooses imperfect humans to distribute his message. Predictably, that has resulted in tens of thousands of denominations, including ones that dictate that you have to distance yourself from your spouse in the eyes of the church if they have an addiction. We're not rejecting God's morality, we're rejecting what we're told by people such as yourself what God's morality is. We're rejecting it based on two things: one, you don't seem in a better position to know what God wants than anyone else is; and two, the morality given is a weak mix of iron age standards and modern ethics, with many of the best bits (like don't hold slaves) coming from modern ethics. I suspect that if there is a God, it's been grossly misrepresented by the people who think it's what they believe in, when they really only believe in their own concept of what they think God is. Just like every other believer in any god or God.

[Drich]

Hold on, lets go back...I thought you said he was all powerful, couldn't he design paradigm that operates under different principles?

Why would he need to?

Why does he care or feel it necessary to punish his projects? Maybe he should just leave them be?

Not are all 'His projects.'

Better than the alternative. It sounds pretty cruel...

What if 'dead' is not what we understand it to be? What if Death is an awaking on God's plain of existance, (To wake up from the matrix so to speak) and the only way to get to real 'death' is through Hell? Do you or others like you still want to 'Die?'

Yeah! Can you imagine if I started making new animal breeds in a lab by replicating and splicing random animal DNA and then just started smashing them if things like my bird-dog didn't fly, but was still perfectly healthy!

Isn't that exactly what they do when harvesting T-cells from test tube babies?

Couldn't I just turn them loose or something? Wouldn't the animal rights people be banging down my door hand in hand with Christians telling me I was going to hell?!! Oh wait...here we are again...

But isn't that what Hell is? Being 'turn loose' being free from God.

[wwjs]

Explain what being free from god means. I don't believe that he exists so am I in hell?

[Drich]

Explain what being free from god means. I don't believe that he exists so am I in hell?

If you did not believe in graviety, could you fly around like superman? Our belief in something is not required, in order for us to be bound to it.

Being 'free of God' means to be put out of or away from His presence. As God is ever present in all that He has created that means you will be sent to the void or the pit which is the absence of God or anything that He has created.

[wwjs]

So god creates someone just to send him to "nothingness". And don't come up with this "free will" crap because god already knows that he won't believe.

[Drich]

So god creates someone just to send him to "nothingness". And don't come up with this "free will" crap because god already knows that he won't believe.

God set up the process in which allowed you to be born. God did not create you in the sense He created Adam or even Eve.

Just because one Produces a movie and knows how it will end, does not mean the 'producer' wrote the ending himself. In turn Just because God sets the ball in motion, and knows ulitmatly how everything will play out does not mean He micro manages every bad choice you will make in your life time.

[The Reality Salesman01]

God did not create you in the sense He created Adam or even Eve

Well since you're begging, I will oblige with the question: Just how did he create Adam and Eve and on what grounds do you assert that this is anything but a ridiculous fairy tale?

Just because one Produces a movie and knows how it will end does not mean the 'producer' wrote the ending himsel

Correct! But, God is kinda like old school Quentin Tarantino right? He's the writer, producer and director. At least that's the way you've presented Him. So lets see if this analogy still plays out the same way once we've properly matched God to the proper character in the story...

In turn Just because God sets the ball in motion, and knows ulitmatly how everything will play out does not mean He micro manages every bad choice you will make in your life time.

...nope. The bold doesn't correlate at all.

[wwjs]

God set up the process in which allowed you to be born. God did not create you in the sense He created Adam or even Eve.

Just because one Produces a movie and knows how it will end, does not mean the 'producer' wrote the ending himself. In turn Just because God sets the ball in motion, and knows ulitmatly how everything will play out does not mean He micro manages every bad choice you will make in your life time.

You did not answer my question. Why would god create someone just to sent him to "nothingness" forever?

[Drich]

Well since you're begging, I will oblige with the question: Just how did he create Adam and Eve and on what grounds do you assert that this is anything but a ridiculous fairy tale?

He literally created Adam by Hand, and breathed life into Him. Eve by taking genetic material from Adam.

Correct! But, God is kinda like old school Quentin Tarantino right?

No. God is uniquely God.

He's the writer, producer and director. At least that's the way you've presented Him.

When? I remember saying specifically "God does not micro mange your life." If you are being honest to the anology the movie we are discussing is your life.

So lets see if this analogy still plays out the same way once we've properly matched God to the proper character in the story...

Again it does just fine when you stay true to the way the analogy is being used. If however you wish to bait and switch with the straw man of your chooseing then you can find fault where ever you like. But that is true anytime you change someone's account to match whatever arguement you want to use against them.

...nope. The bold doesn't correlate at all.

Says... Who? you and the god you created to fall short of your expectations?