How to shut up people who are against abortion

[Psykhronic]

Oh God, abortion threads require the most popcorn.

[Minimalist]

You will go first 9 months through hell

I take issue with this. Being forced by meddling shitheads to give birth to a child you do not want is a life sentence.

[smax]

Yeah - you'd think that an allegedly "all-knowing" god would not have been surprised when his plans turned out badly.

Yahweh is something of a fuck up by god standards.

Yup, the bible says that god is perfect, and yet he continually screws up.

The Flood is only one of many examples.

[Neo-Scholastic]

There are too many people on the planet now and we do not need more.

Then why don't you walk the walk and just off yourself?

[Minimalist]

My work here is not yet done...... so many fucking religious shitwits - so little time.

(But thanks for the straight line. )

[Tiberius]

First of all imagine being an woman and you get pregnant with an unwanted child.

It depends how she got pregnant. If she was raped, then sure, I'd probably support abortion in that instance. If she had sex willingly, then sorry, but pregnancy is a possible result of that sex. It doesn't matter if she used protection; no protection is 100% effective, and it has never claimed to be.

If you participate in an action that has possible consequences, then you are responsible for your actions and any consequences that come from it. This holds true for everything in life, but not abortion, even though abortion deals with one of things that humans hold most precious: life.

You will go first 9 months through hell

No, you won't. Pregnancy is different for everyone, and most pregnancies go unnoticed for several months, and even then, one could hardly call the remaining months "hell". Even the really hellish bit at the end can be made comfortable with drugs, or even avoided completely with caesarean sections.

Suffice to say, if pregnancy was really 9 months of "hell", nobody would get pregnant or even run the risk of it, and the human population would die out.

and when that baby is going to be born he/she is going to be ignored and hated because he/she wasn't wanted

This assumes that the parents keep the baby (rather than give the baby up for adoption). It also assumes that parents who keep the baby rather than putting it up for adoption will continue to hate and not want it, despite the fact that if this were the case, one would expect them to give it up for adoption...

Unless you have some studies to back up your assertion that parents who keep the results of unwanted pregnancies continue to hate their children, I would expect the opposite to be true.

do you know how much that child will suffer to be ignored and hated by their parents,I think not.

Again, this assumes that the parents of (initially) unwanted children continue to not want or love them, and didn't give them up for adoption. It further assumes that such children can't go on to live a perfectly ordinary or even extraordinary life.

Also There are 7 billion of us I think that there are plenty enough people on this planet,so abortions can lower some numbers as well.

Some estimates suggest there are 210 billion mice. Your point? The Earth is not overcrowded with humans, not will it be for a very long time. We produce more than enough food for everyone; the fact that a large number of humans are hungry is a political problem, not one based on population.

Also a woman is free to use her body as she fells there is no man or no authority that should tell women how to use their own body.

Well, this is just factually untrue. You cannot justify your actions simply by your "feelings". If I feel that I have the right to kill someone, I'm still going to get arrested for doing it. My feelings on the issue count for nothing. There are plenty of actions we can do with our bodies that are judged to be illegal, or can result in an illegal consequence, and we cannot escape responsibility by claiming we "felt" that we could do them anyway.

And furthermore can you imagine the pain women go through when giving birth,and for what so that she will just have an baby that isn't wanted.

Pain in childbirth is not a good enough reason to kill a baby, especially when there are drugs which can be used to null most of the pain and operations which can skip the process entirely. A baby may not be wanted by the mother, but there are plenty of childless couples out there who do want a baby. Making adoption easier for couples would be a great complement to disallowing abortion in certain cases.

Now you should stop worrying about children that weren't born yet and instead help children who are born and are living an rough life.

I can't do both?

[pocaracas]

You know Tib, sometimes the babies are really unwanted and remain unwanted after birth... sometimes, having a child can mean losing a job and any way of supporting both the mother and child.... sometimes, having a child means that the grandparents have to take monetary care of both the mother and the child, and sometimes, they're not very willing to do so.
Sometimes, the mother's life just becomes unbearable, if she haves that child.

And I think anyone should be allowed to judge their own lives and deal with the consequences of sex in their own way... within a reasonable time-frame.
I hear that, in the UK, you can abort almost up to birth. At some point (and I'm not going into that) the fetus does have to suffer when aborted.
Up to 12~15 weeks gestation, the fetus is noticeably a very underdeveloped or just a bunch of cells and an abortion is just chemically induced and feels much like a standard period.
So, up to this "age", it's not a big deal to abort. The fetus doesn't feel anything... I mean... a fly suffers much more when we kill it and I don't see anyone legislating against the killing of flies (yeah, flies have life too, so pro-life should cover them too! ).

Given that, I don't think people should be prohibited from aborting up to that stage when you can no longer chemically induce a period-like abortion.

Sex is a very pleasurable thing to do, so I can't blame people for doing it and wanting to solve a complication that arose from it... I think they should have some time to realize what they did and deal with it they prefer, with no legal problems attached.

[rexbeccarox]

And, you know, your post makes no sense because women are... women, and women are the only people who are affected by any potential abortion laws.

Kay, let's say one woman in this group can't have a child. She still have equal say?

Who are you arguing with? Where did I ever say I thought anyone should be making decisions for others? I said the opposite of that.

I know. You just hinted at a fallacious argument is all. The argument that men shouldn't decide whether abortion is legal or not because they can't have babies is just dumb... Not all women can have babies and even if they could, so? Being a woman doesn't qualify one to speak for all women. Not arguing against you, just the argument you hinted at.

... but I didn't hint at that argument at all. I don't think it, so why would I hint at it?

[Big Blue Sky]

First of all imagine being an woman and you get pregnant with an unwanted child.

It depends how she got pregnant. If she was raped, then sure, I'd probably support abortion in that instance. If she had sex willingly, then sorry, but pregnancy is a possible result of that sex. It doesn't matter if she used protection; no protection is 100% effective, and it has never claimed to be.

If you participate in an action that has possible consequences, then you are responsible for your actions and any consequences that come from it. This holds true for everything in life, but not abortion, even though abortion deals with one of things that humans hold most precious: life.

You will go first 9 months through hell

No, you won't. Pregnancy is different for everyone, and most pregnancies go unnoticed for several months, and even then, one could hardly call the remaining months "hell". Even the really hellish bit at the end can be made comfortable with drugs, or even avoided completely with caesarean sections.

Suffice to say, if pregnancy was really 9 months of "hell", nobody would get pregnant or even run the risk of it, and the human population would die out.

and when that baby is going to be born he/she is going to be ignored and hated because he/she wasn't wanted

This assumes that the parents keep the baby (rather than give the baby up for adoption). It also assumes that parents who keep the baby rather than putting it up for adoption will continue to hate and not want it, despite the fact that if this were the case, one would expect them to give it up for adoption...

Unless you have some studies to back up your assertion that parents who keep the results of unwanted pregnancies continue to hate their children, I would expect the opposite to be true.

do you know how much that child will suffer to be ignored and hated by their parents,I think not.

Again, this assumes that the parents of (initially) unwanted children continue to not want or love them, and didn't give them up for adoption. It further assumes that such children can't go on to live a perfectly ordinary or even extraordinary life.

Also There are 7 billion of us I think that there are plenty enough people on this planet,so abortions can lower some numbers as well.

Some estimates suggest there are 210 billion mice. Your point? The Earth is not overcrowded with humans, not will it be for a very long time. We produce more than enough food for everyone; the fact that a large number of humans are hungry is a political problem, not one based on population.

Also a woman is free to use her body as she fells there is no man or no authority that should tell women how to use their own body.

Well, this is just factually untrue. You cannot justify your actions simply by your "feelings". If I feel that I have the right to kill someone, I'm still going to get arrested for doing it. My feelings on the issue count for nothing. There are plenty of actions we can do with our bodies that are judged to be illegal, or can result in an illegal consequence, and we cannot escape responsibility by claiming we "felt" that we could do them anyway.

And furthermore can you imagine the pain women go through when giving birth,and for what so that she will just have an baby that isn't wanted.

Pain in childbirth is not a good enough reason to kill a baby, especially when there are drugs which can be used to null most of the pain and operations which can skip the process entirely. A baby may not be wanted by the mother, but there are plenty of childless couples out there who do want a baby. Making adoption easier for couples would be a great complement to disallowing abortion in certain cases.

Now you should stop worrying about children that weren't born yet and instead help children who are born and are living an rough life.

I can't do both?

well It really depends on our point of view,I will still support abortion 100%. I do agree on some of your arguments but not on all of them. So it's kinda pointless debating over this,but if a woman wants an abortion and she is 100% percent let her do it,but you must know that humans make mistakes and when they are young they sometimes make very stupid mistakes and if there is an chance you can fix that let them.

[Rev. Rye]

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Unless you have some studies to back up your assertion that parents who keep the results of unwanted pregnancies continue to hate their children, I would expect the opposite to be true.

Here's one. Here's another one.

It further assumes that such children can't go on to live a perfectly ordinary or even extraordinary life.

And you seem to assume that adoption is necessarily a better option. Counter-Example: David "Son of Sam" Berkowitz' final tipping point was his finding out that he was adopted.

Well, this is just factually untrue. You cannot justify your actions simply by your "feelings". If I feel that I have the right to kill someone, I'm still going to get arrested for doing it. My feelings on the issue count for nothing. There are plenty of actions we can do with our bodies that are judged to be illegal, or can result in an illegal consequence, and we cannot escape responsibility by claiming we "felt" that we could do them anyway.

And yet, abortion remains legal. Your talk about feelings cannot work.