Screw Christmas, i'm more excited about...

[Pippy]

Consider the Co2 foot print of that one sentence you posted.

[Autumnlicious]

Consider the Co2 foot print of that one sentence you posted.

Consider your ham-fisted waste of time spent on Earth and covert it to carbon credits using your own hot air emissions and the axiom "Time is money".

[cristalrose]

Thanks Pip, it is hard to explain what my views are since they are all jumbled up

[quote]Squash will cover 40 feet square if you let them

and then you become someone your neighbors hide from trying to get rid of all the leftover squash that you can't fit in the freezer !

[Pippy]

Yeah, I gave a lot to the baby (not mine, my friends) because organic food is essential for them. The squash climbed the hedge, it was crazy.

What kind of gardening do you do?

Soon it is Solstice, the longest night. Then it is half over, but the February half is kinda colder...

[leo-rcc]

http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/u-s-to...s/19283942

In the future, America will harness cow farts to curb pollution and power the grid. What? It sounds like a joke, but it's actually a real promise. By 2020, dairy industry emissions will be reduced by 25%, largely by persuading dairy farmers to capture methane gas, U.S. Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack announced at the Copenhagen climate change summit this week. Farmers will be able to buy anaerobic digesters that convert cow, errr, emissions into electricity.

[Purple Rabbit]

Planning my vacation to Costa Rica in summer and contemplating about the CO2 footprint that accompanies it.

Go by boat?

Rowing through the Bermuda triangle should be fun...if you have an urgent dead wish.

[Pippy]

I've been there, and I'm still here.

Copenhagen was a fraud and a joke. We are facing a pollution crises, and Al Gores war on Carbon has been brought into the light. It seems that it is an idea proposed years ago by Kenneth Lay to create not only a new futures and derivatives market, but a global tax. It has nothing to do with solving the pollution crises, just with getting rich, which is the last thing we need.

I mean, as Copenhagen is going on Al Gore is getting laughed out of the debate by the other side of the argument. Climategate did not help, and then they finally got him to admit that his data is incorrect, that temp does not necessarily follow carbon level, but the carbon level could follow temp... Se he loses his Academy award. Al Gore is a fraud, and that is an inconvenient truth for some psuedo environmentalists that signed on to help the President in Exile. But Copenhagen still went on, and they were all "We need to do something NOW, not something useful or well thought out, just act as irrationally and quickly as possible,".

And now they have invented a new mindfuck, I have become a Climate Denier. Beautiful, that's worse than holocaust denial, because how can I deny the climate that I live in? But it is rhetoric, I do not deny there is a climate. I deny that Al Gores and friends swear jar is the last solution we need. They didn't mention anything about cutting down less trees. Would that fix the supposed carbon problem? It gets to me, because I have been an environmentalist for years, long before Gores shitty little movie. And I have been trying, but people can't do very good causal thinking, so they don't see that they are destroying this rock we all live on. Then Gore thinks up a new way to bullshit people ane make money, and all these new environmentalists come one board. Now it has been shifted so that I am some anti-environmentalist because I won't support this hypocrisy.

Stupid Copenhagen. Stupid people. It is far to late to do anything now, and it's more of the same form the politicians...

Grrrrrrr.
-Pip

[Rhizomorph13]

Pippy,

You seem so angry. If you visit a doctor I am sure she can prescribe pills to calm you down. You can get your prescription filled very cheaply at Walmart for 4 dollars. I could drive you there in my Jeep that only gets 9 miles per gallon. We can use my mini-14 assault rifle (Ranch style) to take pot shots at other drivers on the road to help you feel better and I still have a little weed left over so you can get high before the pills take effect.

Rhizo

[leo-rcc]

The way i see it, as usual there is some truth in both sides of the story. The whole climategate thing is blown out of proportions, but it is a well known fact (pointed out to the public by environmental scientists) that Al Gore's movie had some deep flaws in them.

Judging from the data I have seen so far and the explanations I've heard about it, I am reasonably convinced that mankind does have a role in the current climate change. How much? I don't know. Should we be worried? I don't know that either.

I do not see an immediate cause for concern though, so I don't know why the environmentalists push their "act now" agenda so much, if given the last data the change in itself is not extraordinary compared to other times in history which we as a species survived just the same.

I agree with Pippy to a point that there seems to be a much more urgent agenda concerning money being pushed in this convention than that actual data suggests there is an urgency that we need to act immediately or we are doomed.