What is "FAITH"

[Godscreated]

Once again you through out rubbish that means nothing, besides I can't threaten you with hell, hell is your choice. If it was that important then it would be in scripture, God would have made sure of it. Christ spoke of avoiding hell far more than He spoke of heaven, since He knows how both are it seems important that we listen.

Hell is not a choice, please watch these videos, they describe it quite well:
Scripture says hell is a choice, since you have no other source to confirm differently your... well you'll have to deal with it through scripture.

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Once again you through out rubbish that means nothing, besides I can't threaten you with hell, hell is your choice. If it was that important then it would be in scripture, God would have made sure of it. Christ spoke of avoiding hell far more than He spoke of heaven, since He knows how both are it seems important that we listen.

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Who invented everything, including hell, and also including the fact that those who are not followers of your god will go there?

God set all this up independently, right? Or did something more powerful than your all powerful god force him to make those decisions?

When One is omnipotent nothing can be more powerful, you're dragging up speculation that is found no where except in the mind of atheists.

[Bad Writer]

I have plenty of tangible proof...

Tangible proof means that we can experience it too. The Bible doesn't count because everyone interprets it differently, and its authorship is doubtful anyway.

So what's this tangible proof that everyone can experience? If you say the Holy Ghost, apparently everyone experiences that differently too, and sometimes it even leads people to Buddhism. That one is out too.

Tangible proof. Present it, please.

[Rahul]

When One is omnipotent nothing can be more powerful, you're dragging up speculation that is found no where except in the mind of atheists.

So you agree that God invented Hell. That he thought it up and created it. That he decided that souls would be immortal. That God himself decided that if you didn't happen to follow his path, or we can't figure out which is the correct path, or we just consider it unreliable like all other religions, that our eternal souls will burn in eternal agony forever?

You agree God decided this of his own free will and he thought that was a wonderful idea

Because I don't see how me going to hell is my choice. I didn't invent hell. Your god supposedly did. He also set up reality that I would go there if I don't believe in him.

So who's choice is it again?

[Whateverist]

I know God is real and I know He is who He says He is, I have no doubts about this, it is a sure thing. To look for an alternative would be lying to myself and that my friend would make me a liar. I have plenty of tangible proof, you want think it is because you did not experience it I did. I not one to try and fool myself, just isn't how I'm built.

I have no doubts that I am Batman. Prove me wrong.

Damn! And you post here on AF too? It's a real honor.

[Rahul]

Damn! And you post here on AF too? It's a real honor.

I always knew he was Batman. Something about the eyes.

[Consilius]

[quote='Consilius' pid='473156' dateline='1373083383']

This isn't a naughty kid. This is a grown man who refuses to honor his parents in their old age. If he can get drunk and handle money, he is probably old enough to know this law in the first place and give his aging parents the respect they deserve.

He's a grown man? It just says son. That person could be 13 years old as far as you or I know.

Where do you glean that he is "grown"?

The person described is male and not and/or female. Male Israelites took care of their parents when they were grown up and their parents were old.
The man described is getting drunk and wasting money. Only adults could do that in the ancient Middle East, in the same way it is today.

I'm afraid they will never learn, I'm not saying they do not understand what we say, I'm saying they will reject truth because it does not suit their self absorbed ways.

Let's not get hypocritical here. They probably just don't get what I'm trying to say.
They have evidence of what I am saying, and all they need is to refute my conclusion.

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Justify Moses all you want; in the end he's still a mass murderer.

Are you also going to tell me that Elisha didn't order bears to jump out and maul a bunch of kids for calling him baldy, or that their sin was greater than what was actually written about?

Moses killed one man in his entire lifetime. That's not mass murder. You blatantly ignored or overlooked everything I just said and said exactly what you said before.

On Elijah cursing children in 2 Kings 2:23-24.
They weren't children. The Hebrew word neurim qetannim means "young man": between the ages of 12 and 30. Isaac was in his early twenties when he is nearly sacrificed in Genesis 22:12, and Joseph is seventeen in Genesis 37:2.
Elisha had finished revoking an Joshua's earlier curse on the nearby city of Jericho (Joshua 6:26) by making its water clean (2 Kings 2:19-22). Elisha was a prophet, a representative of God, as he had proven not long ago, and the insults were not going to him but to the God he stood for. This isn't very surprising, since he was traveling through an area of Israelite pagan worship (1 Kings 12:32). These men, if not pagan priests themselves, were pagan worshippers.
Elisha responded to this threat to his prophetic mission by cursing them in the name of the God he stood for, and the one they were insulting. There is no evidence he prayed for any type of punishment at all, rather, God executed the curse by sending bears to maul them. That 42 of these men were captured and mauled by two bears suggests that there could have been many more people gathered against this one man.
This wasn't playful teasing from a few kids, but a mass gathering of pagans against a prophet.
http://christianthinktank.com/qmeanelisha.htm

[Bad Writer]

I always knew he was Batman. Something about the eyes.

As my atheist colleagues have already guessed, proclaiming I'm Batman is the same thing as someone telling you that they know God exists because they know he exists because they know he exists. Essentially, it's an unverifiable claim. Using logic, one can debunk someone's claim that he/she is Batman in quite the same way that one can debunk one's belief in an invisible God/Unicorn/Optimus Prime. At the end of the day, the claim fails, and yet the one making the claim does not see it because he/she keeps spinning new ways to justify his or her belief, just as I could do if someone shows me how I'm not Batman.

You: There's no such thing as Gotham.

Me: You've never been there. How do you know?

You: I looked at a map.

Me: You're reading that map wrong.

You: Show me the bat mobile.

Me: I drove my other car today.

You: Take me to it.

Me: I can't show you where the batcave is.

And it goes on. The only way it can stop is when the justification for ridiculous and unprovable claims ends.

[Whateverist]

I can't seem to find the problem that is preventing your post from showing, Concilius.

[Consilius]

Neither can I. If you press 'Quote', anyone can read it. Sorry.

[fr0d0]

Consilius' post (this better work! :p)

He's a grown man? It just says son. That person could be 13 years old as far as you or I know.

Where do you glean that he is "grown"?

The person described is male and not and/or female. Male Israelites took care of their parents when they were grown up and their parents were old.
The man described is getting drunk and wasting money. Only adults could do that in the ancient Middle East, in the same way it is today.

I'm afraid they will never learn, I'm not saying they do not understand what we say, I'm saying they will reject truth because it does not suit their self absorbed ways.

Let's not get hypocritical here. They probably just don't get what I'm trying to say.
They have evidence of what I am saying, and all they need is to refute my conclusion.

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Justify Moses all you want; in the end he's still a mass murderer.

Are you also going to tell me that Elisha didn't order bears to jump out and maul a bunch of kids for calling him baldy, or that their sin was greater than what was actually written about?

Moses killed one man in his entire lifetime. That's not mass murder. You blatantly ignored or overlooked everything I just said and said exactly what you said before.

On Elijah cursing children in 2 Kings 2:23-24.
They weren't children. The Hebrew word neurim qetannim means "young man": between the ages of 12 and 30. Isaac was in his early twenties when he is nearly sacrificed in Genesis 22:12, and Joseph is seventeen in Genesis 37:2.
Elisha had finished revoking an Joshua's earlier curse on the nearby city of Jericho (Joshua 6:26) by making its water clean (2 Kings 2:19-22). Elisha was a prophet, a representative of God, as he had proven not long ago, and the insults were not going to him but to the God he stood for. This isn't very surprising, since he was traveling through an area of Israelite pagan worship (1 Kings 12:32). These men, if not pagan priests themselves, were pagan worshippers.
Elisha responded to this threat to his prophetic mission by cursing them in the name of the God he stood for, and the one they were insulting. There is no evidence he prayed for any type of punishment at all, rather, God executed the curse by sending bears to maul them. That 42 of these men were captured and mauled by two bears suggests that there could have been many more people gathered against this one man.
This wasn't playful teasing from a few kids, but a mass gathering of pagans against a prophet.
http://christianthinktank.com/qmeanelisha.htm