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RE: Pope John Paul II and the trouble with miracles
July 7, 2013 at 10:05 pm
There will come a time in the future when our boundless curiosity riding on the shoulders of our sharpest and most intelligent brethren will discover something new and astounding about the universe, whether it be in astrophysics, biology or any of the other scientific disciplines, that will be revolutionary. At that moment, mark my words, the religious will come forth and claim it as their own or that it further confirms the existence of a supernatural being.
Furthermore, just as the flat-earth society, and the heliocentric society, and the evil spell society have been disproved and cast aside, this new discovery will fill in another “gap” in our knowledge and the religious will find themselves standing on an ever shrinking iceberg of mysticism and delusion.
God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance.
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RE: Pope John Paul II and the trouble with miracles
July 8, 2013 at 12:35 am
There's a trap door hidden under a box in the hall closet that leads to a sizable tunnel under the floor boards. He can hide out there as long as I'm still collecting social security.
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RE: Pope John Paul II and the trouble with miracles
July 8, 2013 at 9:52 am
(July 8, 2013 at 1:38 am)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:There will come a time in the future when our boundless curiosity riding on the shoulders of our sharpest and most intelligent brethren will discover something new and astounding about the universe
Yes there will.
And shithead jesus freaks will deny it.
Some freaks might but I think it will be userped by the IDers as proof of god's incredible design and perfect plan. Meanwhile for those of us that are under no such spell it will simply be just one more nail in the coffin of ignorance and superstition.
I have yet to see any scientific finding that the religious twits can't explain with their woo, no matter how fucking ridiculous it may sound. Two of my all-time favorites remain god placing fossils to "trick" us and of course creating light in transit 6000 years ago from stars billions of years away. If they can believe that they can believe anything.
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RE: Pope John Paul II and the trouble with miracles
July 8, 2013 at 9:57 am
(July 7, 2013 at 10:17 pm)Minimalist Wrote: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-13/po...rs/4684798
Quote:Most of the dead remain anonymous.
I'll bet that made it really difficult to verify that they performed miracles.
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RE: Pope John Paul II and the trouble with miracles
July 9, 2013 at 9:18 am
Why do we assume that Miricals Have to be always grounded in the world of Magic/unknown?
Especially when God is the God of the known universe. Meaning all of the things 'sciecne' has observed and placed a lable on God created. So if God created all of the processes and 'laws' Science has observed then why should God be religated to only performing miricals based in Magic and the unknown?
I contend that a mirical is not defined on our ablity to comperhend what has happened, but that it is the will and action of God that made it happen. Either through a normal process or a 'magical' one.