Are Ray and Kirk Perfect?

[The Grand Nudger]

"Better" systems are easy to imagine. Autotrophism across the board, for example. The trick is deciding what you might imagine to be better. IOW, the challenge you issued is a childish one GC. "Show me a better design!" - "people with wings" -declares the kindergartener. But never fear, living up to this challenge says little to nothing about any god. So even though you can't get your head screwed on straight in this regard - it won't hurt some nondescript gods street cred in the least.

[Tonus]

Now to some important things, one could not cough to clear the lungs the sinuses would not allow this, they would become stopped up and flood the air passage and one would suffocate. One could nor have mouth to mouth to help some one breath or aid in clearing water from the lungs.

Wouldn't that point to additional flaws in the "design" of the throat and airways, and perhaps even the lungs?

The position of the windpipe in relation to the esophagus not only creates a choking hazard from food/drink that is being chewed or swallowed, but from food/drink that is coming back up. To say nothing of the damage that can be caused by acid reflux, a problem I am all too familiar with. Their location in relation to the sinuses allows postnasal drip to create problems ranging from a sore throat to bronchitis.

Can it be redesigned to be better? I would think that simply moving the opening for the windpipe to some other position higher up in the mouth would be a good start. Or even sealed off from it entirely so that it serves as its own separate unit. As for taste, provide additional smell receptors in the mouth or small canals in the palate. There are numerous designs and changes that even dumb and imperfect humans can think up just off-hand, one would expect much better of a master designer.

And while we're at it, we can make a few common-sense changes to the prostrate gland. Talk about a poor design!

[Faith No More]

And while we're at it, we can make a few common-sense changes to the prostrate gland. Talk about a poor design!

Easier access would be nice.

[Cyberman]

@ Stimbo, BWS and MS, I'm enjoying your epic fail, why want you actually act like adults and propose a better system and an explanation of how it works better,

I did. I proposed two systems which would work as better 'designs'. And it's not like those systems are anything radical; we know they work because they have been proven to work. That you chose to respond with ridicule merely shows up the maximum level at which your intellect can function. Oh, but I forgot - I'm one of the stupid ones, aren't I? And for... what, exactly? I'm not the one with the imaginary friend and the voices in his head.

or just be quite

Just be quite what?

and stop showing your stupidity it's unbecoming, though it fits you three perfectly.

You owe me a new irony meter. Charge it to your imaginary friend.

[Godscreated]

The throat and air way passage is a good design, it supplies many needs in one design. The OP pointed to this system being poor because there's a .000001 percent chance of choking to death. The benefits of this system out weight this. Tonus said postnasal drip was part of a bad design also, well if it were not for this design the fluid would go directly to the lungs and we could drown from a bad cold. Tonus also suggested moving the windpipe higher in the mouth would be better, why, so when a child as they do, crams a mouth full of food in and starts to chew it would be forced into the windpipe. Also would you want nasal drip falling on the back of your tongue, how about breathing air into the mouth and drying the mouth out. Acid reflux would be a problem regardless of the windpipe, I to know about acid reflux I take something for it daily. Smell receptors in the mouth would be covered by saliva and they would not function properly and for small canals in the palate that would pose a problem when eating or drink, they could easily become clogged. Thanks Tonus, for the examples.
There is a chocking hazard, as small of a chance as there is to chock to death the hazard remains, I've never said otherwise, I only pointed out the benefits from the design. It's the rest of you that have taken issue with what I said to begin with, and then tried to say I did not know what I was talking about that's why I asked for examples that would be better. MS was the one who brought this up and he has yet to give anything other than criticism, it's his own proposal that the system was a bad design by God. Funny thing to say for someone who doesn't even believe in God. It like many other things was a way to criticize and ridicule God and the Christians on this site and only because I pointed out the benefits to the system did you all take issue with what was said, you all want to post to win, being here to learn is not your intention you've made that perfectly clear, you can dish out the criticism but you sure can't take it.

[Cyberman]

Criticism is fine. Out and out wilful bloody stupidity for stupidity's sake is what pisses me off.

[Michael Schubert]

I'm not the one with the imaginary friend and the voices in his head.

That was a good one!

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The throat and air way passage is a good design, it supplies many needs in one design. The OP pointed to this system being poor because there's a .000001 percent chance of choking to death. The benefits of this system out weight this. Tonus said postnasal drip was part of a bad design also, well if it were not for this design the fluid would go directly to the lungs and we could drown from a bad cold. Tonus also suggested moving the windpipe higher in the mouth would be better, why, so when a child as they do, crams a mouth full of food in and starts to chew it would be forced into the windpipe. Also would you want nasal drip falling on the back of your tongue, how about breathing air into the mouth and drying the mouth out. Acid reflux would be a problem regardless of the windpipe, I to know about acid reflux I take something for it daily. Smell receptors in the mouth would be covered by saliva and they would not function properly and for small canals in the palate that would pose a problem when eating or drink, they could easily become clogged. Thanks Tonus, for the examples.
There is a chocking hazard, as small of a chance as there is to chock to death the hazard remains, I've never said otherwise, I only pointed out the benefits from the design. It's the rest of you that have taken issue with what I said to begin with, and then tried to say I did not know what I was talking about that's why I asked for examples that would be better. MS was the one who brought this up and he has yet to give anything other than criticism, it's his own proposal that the system was a bad design by God. Funny thing to say for someone who doesn't even believe in God. It like many other things was a way to criticize and ridicule God and the Christians on this site and only because I pointed out the benefits to the system did you all take issue with what was said, you all want to post to win, being here to learn is not your intention you've made that perfectly clear, you can dish out the criticism but you sure can't take it.

Human beings are not designed by any God. You should know this by now. If you don't, you weren't paying attention in 8th grade Science class. I must repeat myself yet again: WE ARE PRONE TO CHOKING, BACK PAIN, AND MANY OTHER AILMENTS BECAUSE OF THE EVOLUTIONARY MECHANISMS THAT WE ARE BUILT WITH. We are also prone to many pathogens, and we must take medicine for them and see a doctor on a regular basis. You haven't even addressed the hip and back pains that we are prone to. If people choke at a rate as low as the number you cited (again, source?) that is not because of biology; that is because most people are well aware of how the human throat and windpipe work, and they are careful to chew their food thoroughly. Thanks to science, that is common sense.

Evolutionary scientists have proven the God of the Holy Bible to be objectively non-existent. (A) God did not create humans in six days as it says in the Holy Bible; humans evolved over millions of years. Scientists have the transitional fossils to prove this. If there is a god, then he, she, it, or they are/is not interfering with the natural world.

[Walking Void]

Then the book continues with another example, this one concerning the human wind pipe and eating:

Human beings also have a dangerous tendency to choke on food: this has something to do with the fact that, in the back of our throats, the passage that air follows to get to the lungs actually crosses the path that food follows to get to the stomach. This would be an example of a really stupid (or perversely sadistic) design if a god had actually designed it that way.

The book goes on to say the reason our windpipes and throats are set up the way they are is because our distant ancestors were sea creatures who eventually reproduced and grew to live on land. This feature, like everything in human anatomy, comes from the evolution of our bodies.

You should really be careful about posting things you know nothing about and posting things from people you think know what they are talking about.

First of all less than 3000 people die every year from chocking in the U.S. every year that includes children. Children are more likely to choke on things that were not around a couple hundred years ago, balloons, small toy parts, gel and gummy candies are some of the major contributors of child deaths. The percentage of people chocking to death each year is 0.00001. Over 400,000 people die every year in the U.S. from smoking related illness. Now speaking of smoking, wouldn't one look stupid with a cigarette hanging out of a nostril, one couldn't leave it there long the smoke would burn one's eyes and only people with big noses could smoke cigars.
Now to some important things, one could not cough to clear the lungs the sinuses would not allow this, they would become stopped up and flood the air passage and one would suffocate. One could nor have mouth to mouth to help some one breath or aid in clearing water from the lungs.
You would not be able to taste much at all, most taste comes from that passage way from the throat to the sinuses, one could die of eating bad and spoiled foods. If you think I'm lying get two glasses fill one with water and the other with orange juice, close your eyes and have a friend hand you a glass pinch off your nose and drink, then drink the other glass the same way, no breath in between, then guess which was the orange juice before you breath. Without the passage between the throat and air passage one could not use a benny pot to clean the sinuses. I'm sure that's not the correct spelling.
You could not talk, nor yawn, no whistling either. Next time research or even think for a moment might help.

It would be a galactic pandemonium to believe your taste experiment.

Not only would You be able to tell which cup was orange juice, You also exposed a misunderstanding of taste.

If You plug your nose and eat something You cannot smell the flavour but still be able to taste the texture (sweet, salty, bitter, sour). Taste is not the "flavour of orange". Taste is the "acidic (and sweet) taste of orange". So, false. You would be able to differentiate water from orange juice.

So did You even try YOUR OWN experiment? Or did memory not serve You?

[Tonus]

If people choke at a rate as low as the number you cited (again, source?)

I did a Google search when I read his comment, and the links I got indicated that in the USA around 2,500 people die annually by choking on something. So his numbers seem correct.

Bear in mind that this is choking deaths, which may not have been the point of the original passage you quoted (which referred to choking as "dangerous" but did not specifically refer to fatalities). People choke on stuff pretty frequently, even on their own spittle. Most of the time it's a minor inconvenience and not life-threatening.

[The Grand Nudger]

Nothing shitty to say about across the board autotrophism? Can we safely add that to the hitlist of gods fuckups then?