Did They Not Pray Hard Enough

[Silver]

Its interesting how the venom and contempt flows freely when something extremely "evident" to a Christian can't be understood.... It's an obvious wide divide that atheists dig in an attempt to "portray" some type of knowledge they don't have. Or a complete comprehension of something they've never experienced.

The only knowledge you possess is that akin to child's play, reveling in an imaginary friend for the sake of comfort because you have yet to join the ranks for maturity.

Tell me, how do you get a better understanding of something by moving away from it?

By all means, move closer to the countless other deities for which other believers have precisely the same knowledge in understanding to exist. After all, they also have precisely the same logical reasons for discounting the existence of your god as you have for discounting the existences of their gods.

The only reason to be angry at me, is because I am speaking the TRUTH.

I do not get angry. I become annoyed that theistitards claim understanding of a divine truth of which they alone possess knowledge due to blind acceptance rather than objective scrutinization of the facts surrounding their fairy tale beliefs.

A truth you have no understanding of. I'll pray that each of you experiences God, in some way. A way that touches your hearts! That's a sincere promise.

You can pray all you want, but it will do no good, especially according to his shitty track record.

[Captain Colostomy]

Its interesting how the venom and contempt flows freely when something extremely "evident" to a Christian can't be understood.... It's an obvious wide divide that atheists dig in an attempt to "portray" some type of knowledge they don't have. Or a complete comprehension of something they've never experienced.

The only knowledge you possess is that akin to child's play, reveling in an imaginary friend for the sake of comfort because you have yet to join the ranks for maturity.

Tell me, how do you get a better understanding of something by moving away from it?

By all means, move closer to the countless other deities for which other believers have precisely the same knowledge in understanding to exist. After all, they also have precisely the same logical reasons for discounting the existence of your god as you have for discounting the existences of their gods.

The only reason to be angry at me, is because I am speaking the TRUTH.

I do not get angry. I become annoyed that theistitards claim understanding of a divine truth of which they alone possess knowledge due to blind acceptance rather than objective scrutinization of the facts surrounding their fairy tale beliefs.

A truth you have no understanding of. I'll pray that each of you experiences God, in some way. A way that touches your hearts! That's a sincere promise.

You can pray all you want, but it will do no good, especially according to his shitty track record.

I'm new to the 'scene', and never have heard 'theistitard' used before. I like it! A nice umbrella term.

[Bad Writer]

Being annoyed is okay, but I think we should get angry too. Some of us have to vote against these dummies, after all.

[Drich]

Since Drich and the others are such good christians and have a personal (one-way) relationship with jesus, why can't they pray for god to give them the knowledge and the ability to answer the Atheist's questions well enough to convert us by their force of clarity and truth?

Because not all atheist seek truth. they seek confirmation of what they come into the conversation is true. (That their is not God) So when an satasifactory answer is given to most, they disregaurd and move on to another popular atheist question, not really looking for answers, but to see if a particular christian can answer a given question.

Why can't Drich and the others pray to jesus and tell us more about jesus's time on earth than is recorded in the bible?

He never had pizza, He pooped and He dranks lots of wine in His life time.

Why can't he tell us what jesus was doing for the lost 20 years of his life, or even tell us the names of the true authors of the gospels and where they lived and wrote?

Because that time belonged to Him and His family.

Why can't Drich and the others pray and tell us where the Arc of the covenant is located?

Because douche bags such as your self would worhip it rather than God.

Why would Jesus not answer Drich's prayers for this info?

Because they are not PRAYERS, When you ask something outside of Christ Model of Prayer. They are petitions. God is not obligated to positivly respond to a petition..

Plus 'Drich' does not care enough about any of the things you mentioned to even petition God for an answer, at this point.

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Paul in 2 tim

Of course, "Paul" (probably fictitious as well) did not write that.

The six disputed epistles are Ephesians, Colossians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, and Titus. They internally claim to have been written by Paul, but that assertion has been questioned by most scholars.[7] These letters are sometimes referred to as deutero-Pauline letters meaning "secondary letters of Paul".

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So if you do not have the mindset to ask, seek, and knock, you should... ask? I'm not seeing how the revised question is any different.

It's because you gave an example of you just asking God without seeking or knocking. Meaning you did not have the mindset to seek or not, but did ask. So I am saying if you could bring yourself to ask God for something, ask Him to give you the mind set to A/S/K as out lined in luke 11.

"Ask, seek, and knock" is not a direct road map. At best, it's a general suggestion that leaves the specifics to the listener... who is then admonished that he didn't do it right if it doesn't work. It's almost as if god doesn't want many people to be saved.

It is a Map to a Guide. God tells you to A/S/K for the Holy Spirit. The Indewellment of the Holy Spirit puts you in direct contact with God.

Which is just bizarre. After centuries of interacting directly with mankind, god decides to hide in his bedroom.

God only ever interacted with Adam and His prophets. Now God the Holy Spirit directly interacts with everyone!! what are you talking about?

He does this knowing that mankind had a hard enough time believing in him when he was known to them. It's almost as if he doesn't want many people to be saved.

That is why you have been told to A/S/K. When you do God will directly interact with you.

Knowledge of Christ has nothing to do with the only book that gives knowledge of Christ, because the book may not be reliable?

No, the Holy Spirit, The aspect of God who inspired the bible will write it's precepts on your heart. Where the bible comes in it to help us discern if the message on our hearts is from God or from someone else.

It's almost as if god doesn't want many people to be saved.

Not those who will not humble themselves before Him, no.

That's a curious statement. Do you consider yourself free from sin and the law?

Yes as does the rest of Christianity.

Well, how does a person A/S/K, specifically?

You Ask in Modeled/The Lord's Prayer

You Seek Understanding in the bible, By asking questions in places like this, in church, and one on one with those who are willing to study, and you know by repeating the process over and over again. (It's a life time process, I am still A/S/K)

God will usally start out by giving a small measure of the Holy Spirit. (There are signs/Fruit of the Spirit) If you are faithful to what God has given you, you will be given more. if not what you have been given will be taken from you (which usally involves harding of your heart making hard to come back next time.) and given to someone else as per the parable of the Talents.

Fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:21 being filled with envy, getting drunk, having wild parties, and doing other things like this. I warn you now as I warned you before: The people who do these things will not have a part in God’s kingdom. 22 But the fruit that the Spirit produces in a person’s life is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these kinds of things. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified their sinful self. They have given up their old selfish feelings and the evil things they wanted to do. 25 We get our new life from the Spirit, so we should follow the Spirit. 26 We must not feel proud and boast about ourselves. We must not cause trouble for each other or be jealous of each other.

If one is faith with the 'fruit' God gives you then we normally progress to "Gifts of the Spirit."

1 cor: 12 Now, brothers and sisters, I want you to understand about spiritual gifts. 2 You remember the lives you lived before you were believers. You let yourselves be influenced and led away to worship idols—things that have no life. 3 So I tell you that no one who is speaking with the help of God’s Spirit says, “Jesus be cursed.” And no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” without the help of the Holy Spirit.

4 There are different kinds of spiritual gifts, but they are all from the same Spirit. 5 There are different ways to serve, but we serve the same Lord. 6 And there are different ways that God works in people, but it is the same God who works in all of us to do everything.

7 Something from the Spirit can be seen in each person. The Spirit gives this to each one to help others. 8 The Spirit gives one person the ability to speak with wisdom. And the same Spirit gives another person the ability to speak with knowledge. 9 The same Spirit gives faith to one person and to another he gives gifts of healing. 10 The Spirit gives to one person the power to do miracles, to another the ability to prophesy, and to another the ability to judge what is from the Spirit and what is not. The Spirit gives one person the ability to speak in different kinds of languages, and to another the ability to interpret those languages. 11 One Spirit, the same Spirit, does all these things. The Spirit decides what to give each one.

But if one is not faithful what he was given will be taken away:
Mat 25:The Parable of the Talents
14 “For it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants[a] and entrusted to them his property. 15 To one he gave five talents,[b] to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away. 16 He who had received the five talents went at once and traded with them, and he made five talents more. 17 So also he who had the two talents made two talents more. 18 But he who had received the one talent went and dug in the ground and hid his master's money. 19 Now after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them. 20 And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents; here I have made five talents more.’ 21 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant.[c] You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 22 And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents; here I have made two talents more.’ 23 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 24 He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed, 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? 27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents. 29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

The More faithful you become the closer you get to God. There may come a time where you can see God opening doors in your life. You may be able to ask a question or have a need and ask for it and see it 'answered' in miraculous ways. I don't know what may be possiable for you but one things for sure if you do not approach God on His terms you will live a life apart from any possiable knoweledge of God.

Remember God does not claim Omni-benevolence as some religious doctrine claim. The bible clearly states God will have mercy on whom He wills to have mercy. It also tells us God wills to have mercy on those who Humble themselves before Him.

[Bad Writer]

Drich, I can see that your ideas will get you far in this world. You obviously know more about atheism than we do, so you go ahead and tell us what we really believe, and you even tell us that the people not getting answers from God are simply not praying the right way, which must be true. Bravo for weeding out the truth and proving that there is a God. I'll be standing by, watching for the day that you get your Nobel Prize for figuring it all out.

[Esquilax]

Because not all atheist seek truth. they seek confirmation of what they come into the conversation is true. (That their is not God) So when an satasifactory answer is given to most, they disregaurd and move on to another popular atheist question, not really looking for answers, but to see if a particular christian can answer a given question.

This is a profoundly dishonest position to take. Not only are you ascribing motivations to us that you can't possibly demonstrate or confirm, this is just a smokescreen, a way of diverting investigation.

It's also, happily, an example of the immense ego that theists like you have: "Oh no, it's not that I'm wrong, my answers are perfect! It's just those dern atheists, who don't want to know the truth! I can't possibly be wrong! Everything else is wrong!"

[Faith No More]

This is a profoundly dishonest position to take. Not only are you ascribing motivations to us that you can't possibly demonstrate or confirm, this is just a smokescreen, a way of diverting investigation.

It's also, happily, an example of the immense ego that theists like you have: "Oh no, it's not that I'm wrong, my answers are perfect! It's just those dern atheists, who don't want to know the truth! I can't possibly be wrong! Everything else is wrong!"

I've always wondered about the motivations behind this. Is it truly arrogance that causes them to think like this, or is this simply a defense mechanism that causes them to take an arrogant position? In other words, does Drich simply believe he knows better than everyone else, or does he subconsciously desire confirmation of his beliefs so vehemently that his mind is forced into taking the position that he must know better than else?

I tend to lean towards the latter, so I try not to get riled up the nonsense that is spewed forth.

[Captain Colostomy]

This is a profoundly dishonest position to take. Not only are you ascribing motivations to us that you can't possibly demonstrate or confirm, this is just a smokescreen, a way of diverting investigation.

It's also, happily, an example of the immense ego that theists like you have: "Oh no, it's not that I'm wrong, my answers are perfect! It's just those dern atheists, who don't want to know the truth! I can't possibly be wrong! Everything else is wrong!"

I've always wondered about the motivations behind this. Is it truly arrogance that causes them to think like this, or is this simply a defense mechanism that causes them to take an arrogant position? In other words, does Drich simply believe he knows better than everyone else, or does he subconsciously desire confirmation of his beliefs so vehemently that his mind is forced into taking the position that he must know better than else?

I tend to lean towards the latter, so I try not to get riled up the nonsense that is spewed forth.

Having had run ins with insulated enclaves of Christians has me convinced it's the former. Those raised more 'integrated' may well be the latter.

[Bad Writer]

Smokescreen or not, this guy still needs to back up his claims with something more than just emotion.

[Cinjin]

Why would Jesus not answer Drich's prayers for this info?

Because they are not PRAYERS, When you ask something outside of Christ Model of Prayer. They are petitions. God is not obligated to positivly respond to a petition..

Whatever makes it acceptable in your head right Drich? Doesn't matter that the 'model of prayer' that your referencing has been shown over and over to be disclaimer-free and that the word petitions is something you and other d-bag apologists cooked up to get around the fact that god DOESN'T ANSWER PRAYERS!

<deep pretentious condescending voice used:> "That wasn't a prayer! THAT was a petition!"
....and voila - filthy apologists bull shit makes everything ok again and Drich can continue smiling, happy in his absurd delusions.

After centuries of interacting directly with mankind, god decides to hide in his bedroom.

God only ever interacted with Adam and His prophets. Now God the Holy Spirit directly interacts with everyone!! what are you talking about?

What the FUCK are YOU talking about nutcase?!?!