Federal Government Shutdown

[Raeven]

ROFL, man, there are places I would LOVE to post that youtube vid, Diest, but it would assure my crucifixion -- or at least get me banned. Fabulous!

[Airyaman]

D-P said it very well so I'll just throw this in.

What a joke, seriously. Particularly poverty, government's war on it has been a miserable failure.

What business of the federal government is bigotry and supposed wage slavery? These things have nothing to do with the roles of central government, they should at best be at a state or local level.

You folks think too black and white sometimes. You equate libertarians with anarchists, and while some are, most aren't. I personally am not claiming to be one of them, but it works for your responses, so I guess i am one for your posting pleasure.

I don't want "no government", I want less. Less at the federal level, mostly, because of a multitude of reasons, but mostly because a constitutionally run federal government would be very small and limited, as was intended.

[Psykhronic]

D-P said it very well so I'll just throw this in.

What a joke, seriously. Particularly poverty, government's war on it has been a miserable failure.

That's because you cannot simply rage war against poverty - our government has not been looking at serious solutions. As for 'why' they haven't - it might have something to do with that web comic thar.

[popeyespappy]

Because everyone knows a corporation would never put profit above the health and safety of its workers or the environment.

[_xenu_]

Because everyone knows a corporation would never put profit above the health and safety of its workers or the environment.

But... but.. but... their quarterly profit margins!

[Creed of Heresy]

What a joke, seriously. Particularly poverty, government's war on it has been a miserable failure.

What business of the federal government is bigotry and supposed wage slavery? These things have nothing to do with the roles of central government, they should at best be at a state or local level.

You folks think too black and white sometimes. You equate libertarians with anarchists, and while some are, most aren't. I personally am not claiming to be one of them, but it works for your responses, so I guess i am one for your posting pleasure.

I don't want "no government", I want less. Less at the federal level, mostly, because of a multitude of reasons, but mostly because a constitutionally run federal government would be very small and limited, as was intended.

First off, the government's war on poverty is what has kept a lot of impoverished individuals from slipping into irrecoverable poverty for over half a century. It is also what has enabled regions that have been devastated by poverty to recover through aid programs and funding to social programs, and these recoveries sure as hell have never been instigated by non-government organizations.

Second, what business is it of the government to ensure their taxpayers have money with which to pay taxes by ensuring they can be employed and paid good wages equally and without discrimination that might prevent a certain demographic from being able to be taxpayers? Really? I need say nothing further on that.

The problem with libertarians, that most of us have dealt with, anyways, is that we are being confronted with a rising wave of them who are unbelievably stupid and single-minded. We aren't seeing many intelligent libertarians here in the US, we're seeing knuckle-dragging mouth-breathing chimps in suits.

I'll keep this concise: Basically, we're seeing way too much corporate influence on our government. The answer is NOT to remove more of the government. The government is supposed to operate at our behest, by our votes, and thus, we should be making sure our government remains functioning for US, and not for a privileged few. A smaller government means less influence on the way things work by the American people, and less area for the wealthiest to have to spread money around to influence.

The Constitution was set up to protect the liberty and freedom of the individual and to ensure equality and justice for all under its dominion, and it was set up so that it may never intrude upon the privacy upon the individual. That said, the Constitution was also set up to be adaptable, to change as the needs of the nation changed. It was set up with thirteen colonies in mind, hardly the population of today, and certainly not with today's modern technology, proliferation of so many ideas, global economy, and extents of individual power through wealth in mind.

You don't revert to how things were just because the ideas of the past aren't being upheld, you don't reject the way the world has changed just because you aren't entirely pleased with it.

That's called dogma.

[Minimalist]

What business of the federal government is bigotry and supposed wage slavery? These things have nothing to do with the roles of central government, they should at best be at a state or local level.

So, your image of the perfect government is 1840s Alabama. Thanks for sharing.

I will now dismiss you from the ranks of the rational.

[Captain Colostomy]

Yeah. But hey...long live the Confedera-sah!

[Something completely different]

You know, if this is going to crush the world economy in a few weeks, it wont just be the American people who will hate the republicans but pritty much the entire world.




Meanwhile here, the conservative party has agreed to raise taxes on the rich should it engage in a coalition with the social democrats.
Oh how I love a goverment which understands the concept of reason and compromise

Now envy me for my goverment bitches!

[Minimalist]

Really, I wonder if these people have ever read the constitution as it was enacted...or if they understood it? It created a republic in which rich, white, men were the ruling class - with some minor variants in the individual states and enshired the idea that women were shit, blacks were 3/5 of a person and fucking indians were nothing at all. Senators were chosen by the state legislatures. The right to bear arms meant a local state militia and you can bet the fuckheads don't want to roll that one back. We still have an electoral college which serves the needs of overstating the votes of rural America.

Let's try to remember what Thurgood Marshall said of the constitution:

I do not find the wisdom, foresight, and sense of justice exhibited by the framers particularly profound. To the contrary, the government they devised was defective from the start, requiring several amendments, a civil war, and momentous social transformation to attain the system of constitutional government, and its respect for the individual freedoms and human rights, we hold as fundamental today.

So, you'll forgive us if we are suspicious of your motives when you start to praise the fucking founding fathers, okay? I'm starting to think that is code for going back to the way things were.

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Meanwhile here, the conservative party has agreed to raise taxes on the rich

They would be regarded as pussies by our republibertarianeo-conazis!