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Why Don't Christians refer to god as yahweh
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RE: Why Don't Christians refer to god as yahweh
(October 17, 2013 at 2:02 am)Godschild Wrote: They were so blinded by their own self importance to God

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Goddammit, GC, you gotta warn me to shut that thing off before you make one of your statements!

(October 17, 2013 at 5:53 am)max-greece Wrote: Matthew 1:23

The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son and they will call him Immanuel which means "God with us."

OK, I didn't realize that Matthew quoted Isaiah there. But yes, he was trying to shoehorn the story of Jesus to fit the prophecy but I guess forgot to have Jesus be called Immanuel in his narrative. I'm guessing that the Jesus story was written and then someone later added the bit at the beginning quoting Isaiah in an attempt to shoehorn the prophecy.

(October 17, 2013 at 9:04 am)max-greece Wrote: " at the end of the day it's not a literal name, nor is it meant to be"

And why is it capitalized if it isn't meant to be a name?

Probably the same reason they stupidly capitalize "he" and "his" when referring to him.
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#42
RE: Why Don't Christians refer to god as yahweh
Quote:Immanuel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_%28deity...brew_Bible

Quote:In the Canaanite religion, or Levantine religion as a whole, Ēl or Il was the supreme God, the Father of humankind and all creatures and the husband of the Goddess Asherah as recorded in the clay tablets of Ugarit (modern Ra′s Shamrā—Arabic: رأس شمرا‎, Syria).[3]

The noun ʾEl was found at the top of a list of Gods as the "Ancient of Gods" or the "Father of all Gods", in the ruins of the royal archive of the Ebla civilization, in the archaeological site of Tell Mardikh in Syria dated to 2300 BC. The bull was symbolic to Ēl and his son Baʻal Hadad, and they both wore bull horns on their headdress.[4][5][6][7] He may have been a desert god at some point, as the myths say that he had two wives and built a sanctuary with them and his new children in the desert. Ēl had fathered many gods, but most important were Hadad, Yam, and Mot.



Immanu-el is an interesting theophoric for a group of alleged monotheists.
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#43
RE: Why Don't Christians refer to god as yahweh
So, the house of "El" in the Superman mythos is...?
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RE: Why Don't Christians refer to god as yahweh
Quote:Yahweh, prior to becoming Yahweh, the national god of Israel, and taking on monotheistic attributes in the 6th century BCE, was a part of the Canaanite pantheon in the period before the Babylonian captivity. Archeological evidence reveals that during this time period the Israelites were a group of Canaanite people. Yahweh was seen as a war god, and equated with El. Asherah, who was often seen as El's consort, has been described as a consort of Yahweh in numerous inscriptions.[1] The name Yahwi may possibly be found in some male Amorite names.[2] Yahu may be found in a place name.

Evidence from ancient Egypt

According to Botterweck and Ringgren, the earliest known occurrence of the name "Yahu" is its inclusion of the name "the land of Shasu-y/iw" in a list of Egyptian place names found in the temple of Amon at Soleb (see also Shasu of Yhw), from the time of Amenhotep III (1402-1363 BCE).[3] The place name appears to be associated with Asiatic nomads in the 14th to 13th centuries BCE. A later mention from the era of Ramesses II (c. 1303 BCE – 1213 BCE) associates Yahu with Mount Seir. From this, it is generally supposed that this Yahu refers to a place in the area of Moab and Edom.[4] Whether the god was named after the place, or the place named after the god, is undecided.[5]

While the info is from Wiki the footnotes cite the work of William Dever and Frank Moore Cross among others.

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RE: Why Don't Christians refer to god as yahweh
(October 17, 2013 at 9:04 am)max-greece Wrote: " at the end of the day it's not a literal name, nor is it meant to be"

And why is it capitalized if it isn't meant to be a name?
Hebrew doesn't have capitals.
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RE: Why Don't Christians refer to god as yahweh
(October 18, 2013 at 3:32 am)Aractus Wrote:
(October 17, 2013 at 9:04 am)max-greece Wrote: " at the end of the day it's not a literal name, nor is it meant to be"

And why is it capitalized if it isn't meant to be a name?
Hebrew doesn't have capitals.

Wasn't Matthew written in Greek? Greek does have capitals.
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RE: Why Don't Christians refer to god as yahweh
(October 18, 2013 at 4:00 am)max-greece Wrote: Wasn't Matthew written in Greek? Greek does have capitals.
That's a translation of Hebrew. Either you're talking about Isaiah, or you're ignoring it completely and talking about Matthew; either way Hebrew doesn't have capitals and they're only added in translation.

Applying the grammatical rules of English to other languages does not work.
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The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK


"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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RE: Why Don't Christians refer to god as yahweh
(October 18, 2013 at 5:18 am)Aractus Wrote:
(October 18, 2013 at 4:00 am)max-greece Wrote: Wasn't Matthew written in Greek? Greek does have capitals.
That's a translation of Hebrew. Either you're talking about Isaiah, or you're ignoring it completely and talking about Matthew; either way Hebrew doesn't have capitals and they're only added in translation.

Applying the grammatical rules of English to other languages does not work.

Cool! So you've got a copy of Matthew in earlier Hebrew now do you? When are you going to let the rest of the world know about it? I'd love to see your evidence that it is a translation. Besides, can't a greek writer also be sprinkled with god's magic fairy dust and get a perfect dictation from sky daddy for his book? Or is it that god only speaks hebrew and needs a translation?
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(October 18, 2013 at 7:18 am)Brakeman Wrote:
(October 18, 2013 at 5:18 am)Aractus Wrote: That's a translation of Hebrew. Either you're talking about Isaiah, or you're ignoring it completely and talking about Matthew; either way Hebrew doesn't have capitals and they're only added in translation.

Applying the grammatical rules of English to other languages does not work.

Cool! So you've got a copy of Matthew in earlier Hebrew now do you? When are you going to let the rest of the world know about it? I'd love to see your evidence that it is a translation. Besides, can't a greek writer also be sprinkled with god's magic fairy dust and get a perfect dictation from sky daddy for his book? Or is it that god only speaks hebrew and needs a translation?

He is only talking about a segment where Matthew quoted Isaiah.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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I am under the impression that YHWH does not appear in the NT (unless you're a JW, where they added it something like 260 times). Even the quotes from the OT would have used 'god' in place of YHWH, didn't they?
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