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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 23, 2013 at 4:42 pm
(October 23, 2013 at 4:37 pm)John V Wrote: Quote:Omnipotent is synonymous with all-powerful.
It should be, yet people - like you apparently - take it incorrectly as "able to do anything," rather than "able to do anything which is a function of power."
He is called all powerful, not slightly powerful, not pretty powerful, not extremely powerful; all powerful.
There are no shades of grey in this. All powerful means you can do anything, don't you think the inventor of reality itself can do anything?
And if god can't do anything, then he is not all powerful.
Thats with overlooking the paradox of an all powerful being
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 23, 2013 at 5:48 pm
(October 23, 2013 at 4:42 pm)Rationalman Wrote: He is called all powerful, not slightly powerful, not pretty powerful, not extremely powerful; all powerful.
There are no shades of grey in this. All powerful means you can do anything, don't you think the inventor of reality itself can do anything?
And if god can't do anything, then he is not all powerful.
Thats with overlooking the paradox of an all powerful being That's only true if all things that can be done are functions of power, and you haven't demonstrated that.
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 23, 2013 at 5:49 pm
(October 23, 2013 at 4:37 pm)John V Wrote: (October 23, 2013 at 4:11 pm)Faith No More Wrote: That doesn't take away from the fact that it is omnipotent and can create one thing without being forced to create something else. That has not been established as fact.
What part of "omnipotent" don't you understand?
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 23, 2013 at 6:48 pm
(October 23, 2013 at 5:48 pm)John V Wrote: That's only true if all things that can be done are functions of power, and you haven't demonstrated that.
I'm not sure what you mean by that, can you give me some examples of things that can't be done by using power or that isn't a function of power. Would you mind defining power for me as well.
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone...
October 23, 2013 at 7:33 pm
(October 23, 2013 at 4:37 pm)John V Wrote: That has not been established as fact.
We're talking about your deity. None of it is established fact.
(October 23, 2013 at 4:37 pm)John V Wrote: It should be, yet people - like you apparently - take it incorrectly as "able to do anything," rather than "able to do anything which is a function of power."
That doesn't even make sense.
From google...
Quote:pow·er
ˈpou(-ə)r/
noun
1.
the ability to do something or act in a particular way, esp. as a faculty or quality.
So, by saying "able to do anything which is a function of power," you're really saying "able to do anything which is the function of the ability to do something."
It's total nonsense and just an attempt to obfuscate what is meant by "all-powerful."
(October 23, 2013 at 4:37 pm)John V Wrote: Maybe generosity, but I don't see that there'd be compassion. Yet we'll know what compassion is due to our experience in this life, making us fuller than if we had been created directly for heaven.
So, god is not capable of creating us in heaven as "full" as if we lived this life and went to heaven, which contradicts your previous comment that the bible describes god as all-powefful.
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 23, 2013 at 8:41 pm
(October 21, 2013 at 9:42 pm)catfish Wrote: (October 21, 2013 at 5:46 pm)Rationalman Wrote: Butterfly children, here is a link in case you don't know what this disease is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidermolys...ystrophica
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/2...34x593.jpg
http://d2oadd98wnjs7n.cloudfront.net/med...1345748568
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/image...bxAzXdONzX
Not entirely sure if all of those are butterfly children, but you get the idea.
Surely a god that loves everyone (which has been claimed by certain christians on this forum) would not let this happen
Unless they somehow deserve it? What could those children have done to deserve such suffering I wonder.....
But this is a genetic disease, they can't have done anything to deserve this.... right?
Answers please, i'm fed up with people dancing and dodging around this question
The anwser is that you appear to want a skydaddy babysitter... 
Life is not fair, just deal with it.
If your god has given these children this condition(along with all those other delightful childhood diseases he seems to enjoy inflicting on the innocent)
Then he appears to be making life even more unfair.
Sadistic piece of shit your god. Isn't he....
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 23, 2013 at 9:55 pm
(October 23, 2013 at 8:41 pm)Zen Badger Wrote: If your god has given these children this condition(along with all those other delightful childhood diseases he seems to enjoy inflicting on the innocent)
Then he appears to be making life even more unfair.
Sadistic piece of shit your god. Isn't he....
Only if you can prove "my god" did it. Get to work.
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 24, 2013 at 12:19 am
(October 23, 2013 at 9:55 pm)catfish Wrote: (October 23, 2013 at 8:41 pm)Zen Badger Wrote: If your god has given these children this condition(along with all those other delightful childhood diseases he seems to enjoy inflicting on the innocent)
Then he appears to be making life even more unfair.
Sadistic piece of shit your god. Isn't he....
Only if you can prove "my god" did it. Get to work.
You mean there are other gods???
Ok.......
If you're not supposed to ride faster than your guardian angel can fly then mine had better get a bloody SR-71.
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 24, 2013 at 2:24 am
(October 23, 2013 at 9:55 pm)catfish Wrote: Only if you can prove "my god" did it. Get to work.
I thought god did everything?
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 24, 2013 at 2:27 am
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(October 24, 2013 at 2:24 am)Rationalman Wrote: (October 23, 2013 at 9:55 pm)catfish Wrote: Only if you can prove "my god" did it. Get to work.
I thought god did everything?
You think people can't see cancer too, and?
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