Islam IS the true religion of humanity.

[Psykhronic]

Seriously, as has already been said, if Islam is a religion of logic then surely you can logically explain why Islam is true. But a foundation of faith is useless for logic so good luck with that.

[pocaracas]

Ah.... a new chew toy! And you guys were keeping him all to yourselves!!


Welcome sleepy, I hope you enjoy all the discussion... you're already having!

Right now we are in reality. As opposed to non reality which none of us know. We only know this world. We were thrown into this world without any choice( thrownness- Heidegger)

Indeed, no choice... But I wouldn't say thrown, unless you mean it metaphorically

How are we here? Is there really a moral standard? Do we come from nothingness and go back to nothingness?

Who knows?

"Who, when disaster strikes them, say, "Indeed we belong to Allah , and indeed to Him we will return." Quran 2: 156

I'm not your average Muslim that spouts out verses. Islam is the religion of logic. And I know atheists always claim to love logic but many a times even when not talking about religion I see the logic falter and they really don't even have what it takes for 3000 level philosophy courses. Not many do. Not saying that means anything though if you do comprehend but simply trying to talk about logic.

Logic... requires sound premisses...
Lacking those, even perfect logic leads you to bad results.

It's my first time on these forums. What about Islam is illogical to any of the atheists on here?

The same thing as with all other religions.
The premise.
The existence of a god.

Islam beliefs

The requirement of a belief is illogical.
If there is an entity which requires that I acknowledge its existence and it doesn't show itself to me so I can acknowledge it, instead relies on my acceptance of other people's potentially flawed testimony, then that god is itself flawed... again, the premise is unsound.

Islam is the religion of science, knowledge, wisdom.

Right until the part where it isn't.
Compare Israel and Palestine...
Compare any European country to Iran, Iraq, Kuweit, etc...

Read some history. The entire Renaissance was founded because of the Islamic Golden Age.

Stuck in ancient times, are we?

Portugal used to own half the world... look at it now... considered rubbish by Moodys

What questions does anyone have for me? If you have any misconceptions about Islam tell me.

I can't say I have any misconception...
Requires prior belief in the existence of a deity. Enough said.

[KichigaiNeko]

Just softening him up for you my dear pocaracas


He really isn't that good at all...rather pathetic really.






Do you think he may be a sock puppet?

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Let's hypothetically assume there is a God. An atheist is that individual which denies the Greatest of all time.

That's all any version of any god is; a hypothetical. A figment of one's imagination that one's imagination that one imagines to exist and, further, have an impact on one's life.

That's why I'm an atheist.

You said baby's are born without sin? Baby's are also born without a concept (and by reduction a belief) in any sot of deity. They are born with a blank slate and learn a behaviour of belief from their parents and their peers through a given social context.

The fail is strong with this one. Currently not interested in giving him a history lecture. Poor wee thang is too far gone for logic to break through it seems.

You obviously have no concept of knowledge, wisdom, virtues otherwise you wouldn't make such an arrogant and ignorant statement. I'm not going to sit here and say I'm going to pray for you to come to the true path. I'm simply gonna tell you to abandon negative preconceptions regardless of religion and make yourself a better human being.

CONTRADICTION.

You implied in an earlier post that people who are good will 'most likely go to heaven...except those that are atheists...'.

So in one post you accuse a regular here of having none of the virtuous attributes that you appear to have given yourself (presuming that a Muslim who believes in what you've stated above will go to heaven excluding any caveat). In short, you reflect the very same (judgemental, vice-like behaviour and negative preconceptions) that you say one should abandon when you use a sleight of hand to indicate that atheists are bad people simply because they do not accommodate your beliefs/delusions.

You contradict yourself.

You can safely be ignored.

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You're talking about Gnostic Atheism, which is a thing, but it's not the only thing: most of us here are Agnostic Atheists, which means exactly what I said it does.


I gotta tell you, starting with a completely unjustified assertion (there can only be one god) isn't an amazing start. You then went on to quote some more of your holy book, and make more assertions. But I asked for evidence, where you seem to be working from the assumption that your belief is right and then poking holes in every other religion...

I want to know why your religion is true. Not what's wrong with everyone else, not what's in your scriptures, not the attributes of your religion. I want to know why it's true.

What you are saying is nonsensical. You don't have your cake and eat it too.You either believe or you don't.

FALSE

False dichotomy.

"What's a god" demolishes your point above. Lacking a belief/knowledge of a concept doesn't automatically equate to disbelieving in something.

It's the unevidenced claims (such as yours) that we disbelieve. The notion of a god being existing is still a possibility, just a remote and (currently) irresolvable one (until evidence is produced).

You either have faith or you don't.

FALSE.

See above:

The difference between you and me is not that I have seen God with my own eyes, but that I have faith in God. Those who do not have faith in God deny his existence. I'm not going off empirical scientific evidence.
You're asking exactly the wrong questions. Why is Islam the religion of God? Because it is the most logical.

We don't care about your beliefs. Your beliefs are entirely irrelevant to us. Just because you don't care about intellectual integrity doesn't mean others don't. We require evidence, otherwise, you may as well sling your hook and go elsewhere.

I don't know what type of answer you're looking for but I can tell you it's the wrong answer as it is not unjustified to say there is one God because God is the Most Supreme Being in the Universe and there are none like Him.

Gobbledygook.

[KichigaiNeko]

So Sleepy can stay safely asleep and we not both with the likes of such a pathetic unsound philosophy?

[pocaracas]

Just softening him up for you my dear pocaracas

He really isn't that good at all...rather pathetic really.

Aren't they all?

Do you think he may be a sock puppet?

I think you are better equipped to tell that, than me.
Judging by the time at which he replied, I'd guess he's in the US... how many muslims from the US have we had spewing this "islam is the only logical path" idea?

[Bad Wolf]

Hey sleepy, if allah is omnipotent, can he create a boulder that he cannot lift?

[Minimalist]

[Ryantology]

We already had a so-called Muslim Scholar try to prove that Allah was the real god. We have no openings currently for the position of egotistical Muslim bullshit artist, but we'll keep your resume on file for six months and contact you if we need a laugh.

[paulpablo]

Islam is the religion of science, knowledge, wisdom.

Read some history. The entire Renaissance was founded because of the Islamic Golden Age.

What questions does anyone have for me? If you have any misconceptions about Islam tell me.

If this is the case why do most muslims deny evolution?

By the way the intense questioning and doubting of evolution isn't exactly the problem, but most muslims I've spoke to on forums don't question it or think about it they simply deny it because the quran says it didn't happen then say stupid things like.
"If evolution happened why don't people have fur when they live in cold climates?"

Also why do we have to look as far back in history as the renaissance to see great achievements by the Islamic world ?

There's loads of stuff in the quran which goes against science, and sounds laughably like any other primitive religion.

Sticks turning into serpents,
someone saying "be" to some dust then that dust turns into the adam.
god drowning people who ignore his messengers
jinns that exist
angels talking to people


I'm not a christian but your arguments against Christianity don't work either. If god is all powerful and can do anything then surely he can be 3 people and be 1 at the same time, or perhaps all 3 exist within different times but are the same.

If god can do anything surely he could make himself into a normal man while also at the same time remaining outside of time and space and being a god.

When I was a christian I never had any problem with god being able to be 3 people in one, and if you believe god can turn sticks into snakes, make men from dust, make things from nothing just by saying the word "be" then believing god can be 3 things at once isn't really a huge leap of faith is it?

With both Islam and christianity the problem is there's no reason to believe either isn't a man made cult, they both show all the signs of being a man made cult.