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RE: Why is Christianity false and Atheism true?
December 23, 2013 at 3:55 pm
How does god reveal himself? Through events that you can't explain? Because that is how I know that bigfoot is real. I haven't actually seen him, but I have heard some weird sounds coming from the woods and I saw a bush rustle once. I mean, what else could it be?
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: Why is Christianity false and Atheism true?
December 23, 2013 at 3:57 pm
By observing nature.
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RE: Why is Christianity false and Atheism true?
December 23, 2013 at 3:57 pm
(December 23, 2013 at 3:55 pm)savedwheat Wrote: What question?
The ones I asked just 1 post above yours.
Try scrolling up next time. Saves us all a lot of trouble.
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RE: Why is Christianity false and Atheism true?
December 23, 2013 at 3:59 pm
Can you post it again?
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RE: Why is Christianity false and Atheism true?
December 23, 2013 at 3:59 pm
(December 23, 2013 at 3:39 pm)savedwheat Wrote: I don't believe in a deist god because I don't believe a loving God would be an absentee landlord, not revealing himself to us. If it is unethical for us to be absentee landlords it would for God too. Nether the less what you claim is from beyond our universe, and by your own definition directly involved in the origin of our universe, so the first place to look for evidence of such is the origins of our universe.
Quote:I don't understand why you'd come to a discussion forum, and then proceed to reap from visibility any voice that disagrees with you. If you're going to do that, why not just sit in front of a mirror and pat yourself on the back continuously?
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RE: Why is Christianity false and Atheism true?
December 23, 2013 at 4:00 pm
The origin of our universe proves God's existence.
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RE: Why is Christianity false and Atheism true?
December 23, 2013 at 4:01 pm
So identify the evidence of sentience in the data relating to the origin of the universe.
Quote:I don't understand why you'd come to a discussion forum, and then proceed to reap from visibility any voice that disagrees with you. If you're going to do that, why not just sit in front of a mirror and pat yourself on the back continuously?
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RE: Why is Christianity false and Atheism true?
December 23, 2013 at 4:21 pm
(December 23, 2013 at 3:57 pm)savedwheat Wrote: By observing nature.
What about observing nature leads you to believe that it was made by a god?
I could just as easily claim that nature points to the Flying Spaghetti Monster as the creator of our universe.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: Why is Christianity false and Atheism true?
December 23, 2013 at 4:30 pm
(December 23, 2013 at 2:52 am)Lion IRC Wrote: Atheism is lucky to have zero burden of proof.
They don't have to be persuasive at ALL.
...I say let them stay that way.
Welcome to AF.
When your only claim is "I'm don't believe in gods, the existence of whom nobody has produced any compelling and legitimate evidence", what, exactly, are we burdened with proving?
When you claim is "I am sure that my specific God exists and that he has done these very specific things", then you are burdened with proving that God's existence as well as proving that your God did all the things you insist he did.
We're looking for the right answers. You're just sitting there thinking you've already got them, which strikes me as a really weird confidence in conclusions drawn by some of the least-enlightened and knowledgeable human beings to have ever existed.
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RE: Why is Christianity false and Atheism true?
December 23, 2013 at 4:31 pm
(This post was last modified: December 23, 2013 at 4:31 pm by Tonus.)
(December 23, 2013 at 3:57 pm)savedwheat Wrote: By observing nature.
I'm wondering what we might learn about god by observing some necrotizing fasciitis. Any clue?
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