Fifty Questions That Christians Can't Answer

[Minimalist]

666 posts? That's badass.

It's just a number, Alex. Between 665 and 667. It is not the 'mark' of anything.


Least of all the fucking 'devil.'

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I guess if you weren't interested in finding something more than just what is right in front of you then you could smile for a while. Religion is meant to be a way to guide people to happiness.

The mantra of the sanctimonious.

[AngelaRachnid]

I spend my life

I spend my days

Is this a typo, do you live two lives, are you twinns, pschitophrenic or just another christian bullshitting to get his unbelievable.

Are you in school or a computer programmer?.........................or a troll

A

[AngelaRachnid]

5) It does seem like a daunting task to build a boat large enough to fit every animal on earth in it. Keep in mind most insects, bird and any sea-animals had no need to be on the boat and the fact that there aren't actually millions of species on the planet unless you include insects (most of which are miniscule and can fly), but a good resource for getting an actual idea of how many would actually have to BE on the boat is earthlife.net/mammals/welcome.html and the total comes in around something more like 110,000 - which is a considerably more manageable number and about 88,000 of which consists of different species of spider. Considering that you're already playing with the idea that the animals flocked to the boat from devine intervention, I think that the animals could survive for a few days on what was there and that a man could build a boat big enough to hold them really isn't much of a stretch, nor would be him dropping them off on their respective continents, but I believe the idea is they all got off and spread out slowly.

You haven't got a clue about the diversity of life have you?

where to start

yes there are millions of species on the planet, there are around 250,000 species of beetle for a start, then take into acount the numerous species of microorganisms, and the numbers just start rising

sea creatures, the vast majority of which would have died because the salinity of the oceans would have been diluted by the 40 days and nights of rain, so there would have had to be loads of aquaria on the ark, now consider the size of an aquarium required for a pair of blue whales, the ark would have to be made stronger to hold the weight of water just for them, and how many species are wee looking at? and that's not including fish, inverts, etc, then withthe rivers in spate and vast torrents of water running everywhere all the freshwater creatures that live in still water would have died, so more aquaria for them, and then there are the freshwater forms of life which would die as the whole world was flooded and fresh water mixed with sea water then for the freshwater species they couldnt take the increase in salinity.

So how many aquatic species are we talking about, how many aquaria and what weight of water?

So the few esturine species might be OK

Yep most birds can fly. but take hummingbirds for example they need to feed on a regular basis in order to stay alive, they also need to roost (like the majority of other birds) at night, then there are the insect eaters, 40 days and nights of torential rain, would have stopped virtually every insect flying, so the insect eating birds would have had no food,

land mammals, possible, but how long did Noah have to gather them all? so He and his family sailed to Autralia and South America collected pairs of all the mammals (as well as everything else and sailed back to put them onto the Ark, they would have needed an ark to transport them back to the main one in the first place,

Now then reptiles, 40 days and nights of constant rain would have darkened out the sun, rain comes from clouds clouds block sunlight, sunlight is heat (and without the heat you have also have to consider heated aquaria for the tropical aqatics, mammals birds, inverts etc, so how did they do this, and the reverse for montain ans polar life) so heated vivaria would have had to be built to house the tropical reptiles in, as they had no electrickery at the time it would have to be wood burning, so thats alot of fuel which also has to be stored on the ark,

Insects, yes many insects can fly but they would be destroyed with 40 days and 40 nights of torential rain, so they would have to have vivaria to live in, now then what do you do about mayflies? some of which need clear FRESH water to lay thier eggs in and as they live only for a day as adults, you would have to get a bunch of larvae to ensure you had a pair, many of these can only be sexed on dissection, but it was only a pair right? As many insetcs are nectar feeders, you need a large amount of soil to grow the flowers is, and considering many species of Apidae are nectar species specific you then have to have samples of nearly all the worlds plants and trees (as some bees only feed on the flowers of trees), which brings another problem, you have to coordinate all the bee species with their foodplants, when all the plants (and we are talking world wide) are in flower at the same time, which dosent happen, OH and you also have to build some very tall vivariums in the ark to house the trees.

and what to do with social insects? no one knows how many species of ant there are yet, most of Central and South America are entomologicaly under recorded for the majority of living species, and many ecosystems not fully understood, so how do you transport social insects? and I thought it was only pairs?

I could go on and on, but lets just mention 2 other small points

food, you have to feed all these animals (and plants), have you any idea how much food an elephant needs? and what about insectivorous shrews, they need to eat there body weight almost every day to survive/

Excretia you might have a problem here, but i suppose if you managed to collect all the species of dung beetle you might get over this mountain of shit,

I suppose you could throw it over the side,

In order to do what it says in the bible to collect a pair of every species (remember that as you are also collecting these species you have to care for them, and think of the average zoo, how many staff do they have?) you would need a ship about the size of India, and would probably have to deforest South America to build it.

Face the truth it is logistically impossible to do such a thing in the time period given

And why didnt god just wave his hand and wipe everything out and start again if he was that powerful, then again why not just make everything perfect in the first place?

OH and tell me where in the bible it says god made man with the CHOICE, to accept or deny him, direct me to the place where it actually says "he gave man the choice to accept or deny him"

I would love to answer your other replies but my internet time is up

A

[Minimalist]

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

2. Gathering the Animals

Bringing all kinds of animals together in the vicinity of the ark presents significant problems.

Could animals have traveled from elsewhere? If the animals traveled from other parts of the world, many of them would have faced extreme difficulties.

* Some, like sloths and penguins, can't travel overland very well at all.
* Some, like koalas and many insects, require a special diet. How did they bring it along?
* Some cave-dwelling arthropods can't survive in less than 100% relative humidity.
* Some, like dodos, must have lived on islands. If they didn't, they would have been easy prey for other animals. When mainland species like rats or pigs are introduced to islands, they drive many indigenous species to extinction. Those species would not have been able to survive such competition if they lived where mainland species could get at them before the Flood.

Could animals have all lived near Noah? Some creationists suggest that the animals need not have traveled far to reach the Ark; a moderate climate could have made it possible for all of them to live nearby all along. However, this proposal makes matters even worse. The last point above would have applied not only to island species, but to almost all species. Competition between species would have driven most of them to extinction.

There is a reason why Gila monsters, yaks, and quetzals don't all live together in a temperate climate. They can't survive there, at least not for long without special care. Organisms have preferred environments outside of which they are at a deadly disadvantage. Most extinctions are caused by destroying the organisms' preferred environments. The creationists who propose all the species living together in a uniform climate are effectively proposing the destruction of all environments but one. Not many species could have survived that.

How was the Ark loaded? Getting all the animals aboard the Ark presents logistical problems which, while not impossible, are highly impractical. Noah had only seven days to load the Ark ( Gen. 7:4-10). If only 15764 animals were aboard the Ark (see section 3), one animal must have been loaded every 38 seconds, without letup. Since there were likely more animals to load, the time pressures would have been even worse.

Angela, I always use the Adam and Eve myth and the Flood myth as my dividing line for dealing with religious types. Those who accept the allegorical nature of such tales are worthy of being spoken to as rational human beings.

Those who don't are simply fucking morons.

[tavarish]

Taoism, Confucianism, Buddhism, Hinduism (except for a few radical movements), Sikhism, Jainism, many African traditional religions, tribal religions, pretty much all folk religions actually, Shintoism, Zoroastrianism (arguable, since at one point they were powerful), Cheondoism, Tenrikyo, Unitarian Universalism, most forms of Judaism (though in the extremely orthodox movements there are a few very powerful people)...

What a crazy list...

Let me enlighten you a little on this bullshit you listed and the question proposed...

Taoism...The new Buddhist/Confucianism movement is looked at as a "Threat" to the "current Buddhist indoctrination. Another form of control being seeped in a dozen followers at a time.....

Buddhism....If you knew anything about Buddhism, you would already know it's been just as raped and split into sects as "Christians" "Jewish" and the "Islamic" has.....People are controlled and manipulated through this Neo-Pagan branch....Just as many other Pagan beliefs systems have done the same....

Hinduism.....Really, you actually listed this one....Do some research Rabbi....You'll see the government has gotten ridiculous charity for it's holier than thou temples spread out through India, along with, even Buddha who split off from the Hindu belief because he did not believe in a "polytheist" based belief....But of course when he died, he ended up being considered, yet another God, amongst many Hindus and sects alike..... (That's some Irony for you..)


Sikhism.....Another break of of "Neo-Pagan"...."Organized" on aspects of their own interpretation of "God"......But still trying to consider themselves as a "Non-Denomination".... Again "Organized"....Rules and laws abide..They have their own shrine for fuck sake.....And guess what.... It's tax free and government ok'd...............wait for it...................."Abides" by their now "Organized" Belief.....



Jainism....You failed to mention that it's a break of from the Hindu sect...... It would be the same as saying a "Methodist" compared to a "Baptist"......Same shit, different name, and government accepted....



African traditional religions/tribal religions..................Holy shit pie!!!!!!! When Tav posted his question of, "Can you name one religion that doesn't try to saturate the market with its own brand of belief"......
Did you not take into consideration the "Monarchy" of what a "TRIBE" puts onto it's village....??? I'm not even going to try and justify this one....especially considering the amount of children and women that have been raped and murdered due to the stupidity of the "Traditional Religions" amongst African "TRIBES"....And of course a government that turns a blind eye due to their numbers and lack of influence....


Shintoism...Again, Confucius and Buddhist break off.....Reminder, "Methodist to Baptist".........Influence there and does apply....


I'm not even going to list Zoroastrianism, it would be a joke to even say anything more than, you should already know.....



Cheondoism...They got their own fucking flag man.... Please tell me how non-organized they are, are have no influence??


Tenrikyo.......Another form of Neo-Pagan....In which you could almost call it Wiccan based.....Laughable and influential for the ones tired of the Buddhist regime in Japan...


Unitarian/Universalism...... I can't even believe you actually listed them..... You do realize there is a membership involved and of course has lobbyist of their own here in the U.S.........NEXT..........


Most forms of Judaism.........It's still a break off of the Judean sects.....Read above on break-offs....It's still an "Accepted" break off by the majority..............

I'm quoting this because you worded it very well and it outlines the points I was trying to convey.

As I said before, a theocracy is a religion's biggest aspiration. It's a method of social, political and economic control primarily.

You want a good way to live your life? Read a self-help book.
You want to control people? Become a pastor.

Shit, they're literally called a "flock".

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and looks like a duck, it's a fucking duck.

[tackattack]

a theocracy is a religion's biggest aspiration. .. really... sigh you're getting closer to pippy every day, no offence to pippy of course.

[Alex]

What a crazy list...

Let me enlighten you a little on this bullshit you listed and the question proposed...

Taoism...The new Buddhist/Confucianism movement is looked at as a "Threat" to the "current Buddhist indoctrination. Another form of control being seeped in a dozen followers at a time.....

...I'm not sure what you're saying here. Did you just refer to Taoism as a Buddhist/Confucianism movement? Poorly worded, do not pass go, try again.

Buddhism....If you knew anything about Buddhism, you would already know it's been just as raped and split into sects as "Christians" "Jewish" and the "Islamic" has.....People are controlled and manipulated through this Neo-Pagan branch....Just as many other Pagan beliefs systems have done the same....

Yeah, that's called fundamentalism. Hence my point, most atheist's real problem is with fundamentalism, they often just falsely equate it with religion as a whole.

But of course when he died, he ended up being considered, yet another God, amongst many Hindus and sects alike..... (That's some Irony for you..)

Hindus don't worship Buddha, and most Buddhists don't either.

Sikhism.....Another break of of "Neo-Pagan"....

You really over-use ellipses. Also, Sikhism isn't Neo-Pagan, they're monotheistic.

Jainism....You failed to mention that it's a break of from the Hindu sect...... It would be the same as saying a "Methodist" compared to a "Baptist"......Same shit, different name, and government accepted....

...are you serious? Jainism is related to Hinduism, but they're not the same thing.

African traditional religions/tribal religions..................Holy shit pie!!!!!!! When Tav posted his question of, "Can you name one religion that doesn't try to saturate the market with its own brand of belief"......
Did you not take into consideration the "Monarchy" of what a "TRIBE" puts onto it's village....??? I'm not even going to try and justify this one....especially considering the amount of children and women that have been raped and murdered due to the stupidity of the "Traditional Religions" amongst African "TRIBES"....And of course a government that turns a blind eye due to their numbers and lack of influence....

Alright, I'll give you that one.

Shintoism...Again, Confucius and Buddhist break off.....Reminder, "Methodist to Baptist".........Influence there and does apply....

...?!?

Seriously man, don't talk about things you have no understanding of. My brain nearly exploded when you called Shintoism a breakoff of Buddhism and Confucianism. Are you kidding me?

Cheondoism...They got their own fucking flag man.... Please tell me how non-organized they are, are have no influence??

They have a religious symbol, therefore they seek a theocracy...'the hell?

Tenrikyo.......Another form of Neo-Pagan....

Once again you demonstrate you have absolutely no clue what "Neo-Pagan" means.

In which you could almost call it Wiccan based.....

?!?!?!?!

Wicca was formed over a hundred years later on a different continent.

Unitarian/Universalism...... I can't even believe you actually listed them..... You do realize there is a membership involved and of course has lobbyist of their own here in the U.S.........NEXT..........

And this proves they seek a theocracy...right.

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666 posts? That's badass.

It's just a number, Alex. Between 665 and 667. It is not the 'mark' of anything.

...did you actually just take that post seriously? Damn...

[Minimalist]

...did you actually just take that post seriously? Damn...

Yes. You have to prove you aren't as fucked up as some of the fundies....or at least earn some street cred.[/b]

[Alex]

Yes. You have to prove you aren't as fucked up as some of the fundies....or at least earn some street cred.

I just find it really weird you took a comment like that seriously. I mean, the number of the beast doesn't even mean anything to me, since it's only in the Christian's New Testament. I just thought it was kind of funny.

Oh, and random fun fact: turns out that because of mistranslations, 616 might have been the original number.

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]Angela, I always use the Adam and Eve myth and the Flood myth as my dividing line for dealing with religious types. Those who accept the allegorical nature of such tales are worthy of being spoken to as rational human beings.

Those who don't are simply fucking morons.

I've actually heard some pretty interesting arguments that allow both the Adam and Eve story as well as evolution, but for the most part I agree. Sticking with an allegorical story despite overwhelming scientific evidence strikes me as really weird, especially since over thousands of years ago there were already people calling parts of the Bible metaphors.

[tavarish]

What a crazy list...

Let me enlighten you a little on this bullshit you listed and the question proposed...

Taoism...The new Buddhist/Confucianism movement is looked at as a "Threat" to the "current Buddhist indoctrination. Another form of control being seeped in a dozen followers at a time.....

...I'm not sure what you're saying here. Did you just refer to Taoism as a Buddhist/Confucianism movement? Poorly worded, do not pass go, try again.

Buddhism....If you knew anything about Buddhism, you would already know it's been just as raped and split into sects as "Christians" "Jewish" and the "Islamic" has.....People are controlled and manipulated through this Neo-Pagan branch....Just as many other Pagan beliefs systems have done the same....

Yeah, that's called fundamentalism. Hence my point, most atheist's real problem is with fundamentalism, they often just falsely equate it with religion as a whole.

But of course when he died, he ended up being considered, yet another God, amongst many Hindus and sects alike..... (That's some Irony for you..)

Hindus don't worship Buddha, and most Buddhists don't either.

Sikhism.....Another break of of "Neo-Pagan"....

You really over-use ellipses. Also, Sikhism isn't Neo-Pagan, they're monotheistic.

Jainism....You failed to mention that it's a break of from the Hindu sect...... It would be the same as saying a "Methodist" compared to a "Baptist"......Same shit, different name, and government accepted....

...are you serious? Jainism is related to Hinduism, but they're not the same thing.

African traditional religions/tribal religions..................Holy shit pie!!!!!!! When Tav posted his question of, "Can you name one religion that doesn't try to saturate the market with its own brand of belief"......
Did you not take into consideration the "Monarchy" of what a "TRIBE" puts onto it's village....??? I'm not even going to try and justify this one....especially considering the amount of children and women that have been raped and murdered due to the stupidity of the "Traditional Religions" amongst African "TRIBES"....And of course a government that turns a blind eye due to their numbers and lack of influence....

Alright, I'll give you that one.

Shintoism...Again, Confucius and Buddhist break off.....Reminder, "Methodist to Baptist".........Influence there and does apply....

...?!?

Seriously man, don't talk about things you have no understanding of. My brain nearly exploded when you called Shintoism a breakoff of Buddhism and Confucianism. Are you kidding me?

Cheondoism...They got their own fucking flag man.... Please tell me how non-organized they are, are have no influence??

They have a religious symbol, therefore they seek a theocracy...'the hell?

Tenrikyo.......Another form of Neo-Pagan....

Once again you demonstrate you have absolutely no clue what "Neo-Pagan" means.

In which you could almost call it Wiccan based.....

?!?!?!?!

Wicca was formed over a hundred years later on a different continent.

Unitarian/Universalism...... I can't even believe you actually listed them..... You do realize there is a membership involved and of course has lobbyist of their own here in the U.S.........NEXT..........

And this proves they seek a theocracy...right.

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666 posts? That's badass.

It's just a number, Alex. Between 665 and 667. It is not the 'mark' of anything.

...did you actually just take that post seriously? Damn...

I'll elaborate and clear up any misconceptions.

Taoism - Has huge influence in the eastern world, and was promoted by the Song emperors, then dismissed. It is, however, one of five religions recognized and funded by the state government of the People's Republic of China.

Fundamentalism - stems from a religious following. Fanaticism of any form can be detrimental to a healthy society, but moderate religion opens the door for fundamentalism, as there is no set standard and no fine line to cross. You either encourage everyone to practice what they want, or you don't. Notice I said encourage and not allow. I'm not advocating getting rid of the freedom of/from religion.

Buddhism - the 4th largest religion in the world with 1/3-1/2 of a billion people. It has massive influence in Asia and in many cases, is state sponsored.

Sikhism - had a formidable military and political organization during medieval India. They have a massive following in India as well. Though they make it a point not to proselytize, it is apparent that their previous Empire and political motivations (leading to a state-sponsored assasination) portray them as more than just people with a set of common beliefs. Many people have died and continue to perish because of this religion and others. If that's not control, I don't know what is.

Jainism - Branched from the same Shramana tradition from which Buddhism came. It was the predominant religion in India in the 9th century, and continues spreading today, even to the western world. 10-12 million people make it the smallest of all major religions, they pretty much shaped Indian culture to what it is now. It has gone through many legal proceedings to be recognized by the Indian government as a minority religion, in order to gain influence in various regions.

Shintoism - the religion of Japan. It has drawn massive influence by way of Japanese pop culture and anime/manga. Although Shintoism and Buddhism are not the same thing, people practice them both, as a mix called syncretism. Throughout Japan's history, Shintoism has been used for political control of regimes, and at one time required all Japanese families to register and practice the religion. Late 19th century gave rise to State Shinto, in which the process of mass indoctrination could occur with state support.

Cheondoism - Is the major religion in North Korea and has a large following in South Korea. It has tenets in Buddhism and Christianity, and is sponsored and represented in North Korea's Cheondoist Chongu Party. It also gave rise to the agrarian revolts in Korean provinces that were introduced to Cheodoist ideology.

Tenrikyo - has had troubling times in Japan, but continues to grow, as it has 2 million followers worldwide and over 16,000 churches in Japan alone. They have church services (not necessary), doctrine, a belief system that in many aspects mirrors Christianity, and they seek political acknowledgement. It's classified as a new religious movement, and they promote proselytism via social work.

Unitarianism - founded on Christian doctrine, but promotes itself as non-denominational. They still employ a church hierarchy, which then enforces specific doctrine regarding spiritual growth and social control. They make it a point to proselytize with "elevator speeches". They are HEAVILY involved in civil rights matters, and hold conventions at their churches for the same reasons.

All of these have had their hand in promoting their own ideology in the form of political, social, and economic control throughout the history of the world. They differ greatly in ideology, but the outcome and inevitable goal of increased control and influence is readily apparent for anyone that wants to delve into it.

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a theocracy is a religion's biggest aspiration. .. really... sigh you're getting closer to pippy every day, no offence to pippy of course.

I outlined my points more clearly in my last post. Check it out.