Christianity almost impossible without indoctrination

[Mondrian]

Ahh, the ramblings of a brain-washed and delusional mind.

How do you know you don't have the delusional brainwashed mind? I choose to believe in God based on evidences and convincing arguments put forward and I accept that I could be mistaken hence why it's a faith. No-one who is brainwashed or delusional could say this they wouldn't really know why they believe what they believe they will just "think it's true because it is" which is what most atheists do when they demand burdens of proof.

Nope, you tit. Learn to read.

I can read just fine and name calling isn't going to win you points in your favour you know.

The babble and religion are pieces of shit covered with diamonds (for the witless, gullible and unintelligent).

That's your opinion but clearly your opinion is wrong if Jesus Christ and his message are at the heart of the Christian faith and Jesus is the same thing according to Christianity as the long prophesied Jewish Messiah from the Old Testament. The Old Testament is centred upon the Messiah so clearly Jesus from the Christian perspective is the heart of the Bible New Testament and Old Testament. You can pick out passages Christians have issues with from the beginning anyway all you like but I'm pointing out how you are factually wrong. You have thew diamond and there's some shit on there. You can wash away the shit and the diamond polishes up just fine.

That's the problems with idiots and the unintelligent like you. You are so stupid, you don't have the capacity to understand just how stupid you really are.

Ad Hominem attacks will get you nowhere and will serve to demonstrate the vacuousness of your position and claims.

Independent study after independent study has shown christians to have an IQ below that of Atheists.

Ever wondered why?

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Genesis 1:26: "Then God said, let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness"

The important difference here is that God made us in his image we didn't make God in our image seeing as God isn't depicted like this.




"Being then God's offspring, we ought not to think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and imagination of man." Acts 17:29


"Beware lest you act corruptly by making a carved image for yourselves, in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female, the likeness of any animal that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged bird that flies in the air, the likeness of anything that creeps on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the water under the earth. And beware lest you raise your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, you be drawn away and bow down to them and serve them, things that the Lord your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven." Deuteronomy 4:16-19

Fcukwit

[bladevalant546]

I would like to present an interesting perspective from a preachers kid. I found that unlike christian congregations, PKs typically will always fall into two places either turn away from the church, or serve the church. Now why this is interesting is because the ratio differs so much vs the congregational ratio.

[Mondrian]

Ahh, the ramblings of a brain-washed and delusional mind.

How do you know you don't have the delusional brainwashed mind? I choose to believe in God based on evidences and convincing arguments put forward and I accept that I could be mistaken hence why it's a faith. No-one who is brainwashed or delusional could say this they wouldn't really know why they believe what they believe they will just "think it's true because it is" which is what most atheists do when they demand burdens of proof.

Nope, you tit. Learn to read.

So come on fcukwit, let's have your proof that god exists ......

Then we can all have a good laugh.

I can read just fine and name calling isn't going to win you points in your favour you know.

The babble and religion are pieces of shit covered with diamonds (for the witless, gullible and unintelligent).

That's your opinion but clearly your opinion is wrong if Jesus Christ and his message are at the heart of the Christian faith and Jesus is the same thing according to Christianity as the long prophesied Jewish Messiah from the Old Testament. The Old Testament is centred upon the Messiah so clearly Jesus from the Christian perspective is the heart of the Bible New Testament and Old Testament. You can pick out passages Christians have issues with from the beginning anyway all you like but I'm pointing out how you are factually wrong. You have thew diamond and there's some shit on there. You can wash away the shit and the diamond polishes up just fine.

That's the problems with idiots and the unintelligent like you. You are so stupid, you don't have the capacity to understand just how stupid you really are.

Ad Hominem attacks will get you nowhere and will serve to demonstrate the vacuousness of your position and claims.

[Sword of Christ]

I would just like to remind everyone how SoC has completely ignored the bible quotes that show god commanding genocide and rape of little girls, but continues to declare how wonderful his religion is.

The very first Christians were outraged by the same passages, these were always seen in the context of problems to deal with and attempt to explain. It's important to understand that the God of the Bible, even before the coming of the Messiah, was first and foremost a God of the oppressed, the poor the needy and the dispossessed. The Jews when in a position of power may have deviated/sinned from this central fact but that's what the Christian God is. The first thing God did in covenant with his people was to free them from slavery in Egypt.

[truthBtold]

I would just like to remind everyone how SoC has completely ignored the bible quotes that show god commanding genocide and rape of little girls, but continues to declare how wonderful his religion is.

The very first Christians were outraged by the same passages, these were always seen in the context of problems to deal with and attempt to explain. It's important to understand that the God of the Bible, even before the coming of the Messiah, was first and foremost a God of the oppressed, the poor the needy and the dispossessed. The Jews when in a position of power may have deviated/sinned from this central fact but that's what the Christian God is. The first thing God did in covenant with his people was to free them from slavery in Egypt.

And u know this because the bible says so??? Come on get real.. u believe a book written by whackos.. edited by bigger whackos... and fed to people like u with no EVIDENCE. ... I have fresh air to sell u... please dont waste it by blowing it out ur ass....

[Bad Wolf]

The very first Christians were outraged by the same passages, these were always seen in the context of problems to deal with and attempt to explain.

So explain. Is there a context in which this is ok? god approved genocide and rape. Do you dare try to justify that?

[Crossless2.0]

The very first Christians were outraged by the same passages, these were always seen in the context of problems to deal with and attempt to explain.

"The very first Christians were embarrassed by these passages, which were seen as problems to be swept under the rug and explained away."

Fixed that for you.

[Mondrian]

I would just like to remind everyone how SoC has completely ignored the bible quotes that show god commanding genocide and rape of little girls, but continues to declare how wonderful his religion is.

The very first Christians were outraged by the same passages, these were always seen in the context of problems to deal with and attempt to explain. It's important to understand that the God of the Bible, even before the coming of the Messiah, was first and foremost a God of the oppressed, the poor the needy and the dispossessed. The Jews when in a position of power may have deviated/sinned from this central fact but that's what the Christian God is. The first thing God did in covenant with his people was to free them from slavery in Egypt.

Even your username is a joke you fcuktard. What you gonna do with the sword, you halfwit? Stab all that disagree with you?

What a stupid twat you are.

[Sword of Christ]

And u know this because the bible says so???

Well yes that is the idea as the Bible is the revelation from God to mankind. It supports the same fundamental form of morality you consider to be moral because your moral values derive both from Christianity within the cultural context and also from God who is the metaphysical context who underpins everything that exists. It also represents the life and beliefs of a historical ancient culture which clearly wasn't in many ways as advanced as our own. We have clearly and factually made some kind of progress towards some form of ideal. Though we ourselves fall far from this ideal we can't be too smug.

Come on get real.. u believe a book written by whackos.. edited by bigger whackos... and fed to people like u with no EVIDENCE. ... I have fresh air to sell u... please dont waste it by blowing it out ur ass....

You provide your own evidence with your knowledge of morality being something that is unchanging and not culturally and historically relative. That's how you can pick out these passages in the Bible and claim there is something wrong with them, you get this from God and from Christ which are in some way one and the same thing in some way. You feel a genuine horror at some of these passages and an inner discomfort, as well you should. The first Christians felt the exactly same way as you as do modern Christians of course. But all you have to do is point to the foundation stone of the faith who is Jesus Christ the man who underpins the Christian faith and provides the context to which the whole thing can be read.

[Rampant.A.I.]

Atheists tend to know more about the bible than Christians: http://www.pewforum.org/2010/09/28/u-s-r...ge-survey/

That may well true as a lot of Christians don't even read it. But atheists don't read books like these in order to appreciate what Christianity is all about.





Or if you want God proved to you rationally there is this kind of thing.




Once you come to know how good the message of Jesus is (supposed to be) and you combine that with pure hard reason and all the evidence that points to God you would no longer be able to maintain this whole atheism thing.

Why would atheists read books of apologetics when they've already heard them before?