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RE: What do you hate about religion?
March 20, 2014 at 11:28 pm
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(March 20, 2014 at 11:23 pm)tor Wrote: (March 20, 2014 at 11:22 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: That's a pretty stupid concept when you think about it. Independent of thinkers, morality is a meaningless concept. 2+2=4 even if there is no life in the universe and nobody to understand it.
Math would be meaningless but still true.
2+2=4 wouldn't be true unless you assumed there were thinkers to determine what properties "2" represents. which in this case, include you and I. You might as well just say \,#=?]* is true too.
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RE: What do you hate about religion?
March 20, 2014 at 11:30 pm
(March 20, 2014 at 11:28 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: (March 20, 2014 at 11:23 pm)tor Wrote: 2+2=4 even if there is no life in the universe and nobody to understand it.
Math would be meaningless but still true.
2+2=4 wouldn't be true unless you assumed there were thinkers to determine what properties "2" represents. which in this case, is you and I. You might as well just say \,#=?]* is true too.
COMPLETELY WRONG. Look 4 rocks is 4 rocks. Not 5 6 or 7.
And the ratio between circles diameter and perimeter is still 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820..
not 4 or 5 or 6.
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RE: What do you hate about religion?
March 20, 2014 at 11:34 pm
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(March 20, 2014 at 11:30 pm)tor Wrote: (March 20, 2014 at 11:28 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: 2+2=4 wouldn't be true unless you assumed there were thinkers to determine what properties "2" represents. which in this case, is you and I. You might as well just say \,#=?]* is true too.
COMPLETELY WRONG. Look 4 rocks is 4 rocks. Not 5 6 or 7.
And the ratio between circles diameter and perimeter is still 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820..
not 4 or 5 or 6.
The phrase "four rocks" is completely meaningless irrespective of a mind that apprehends what the words "four" and "rocks" represent. You seem to be under the illusion that morality, like math, enjoys widespread agreement over its terms and meanings. You are incorrect.
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RE: What do you hate about religion?
March 20, 2014 at 11:35 pm
(March 20, 2014 at 11:34 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: (March 20, 2014 at 11:30 pm)tor Wrote: COMPLETELY WRONG. Look 4 rocks is 4 rocks. Not 5 6 or 7.
And the ratio between circles diameter and perimeter is still 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820..
not 4 or 5 or 6.
The phrase "4 rocks" is completely meaningless irrespective of a mind that apprehends it what the words "four" and "rocks" represent. You seem to be under the illusion that morality, like math, enjoys widespread agreement on its terms and meanings. You are incorrect. You do know that ratio between circles diameter and perimeter is absolute?
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RE: What do you hate about religion?
March 20, 2014 at 11:36 pm
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(March 20, 2014 at 11:35 pm)tor Wrote: (March 20, 2014 at 11:34 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: The phrase "4 rocks" is completely meaningless irrespective of a mind that apprehends it what the words "four" and "rocks" represent. You seem to be under the illusion that morality, like math, enjoys widespread agreement on its terms and meanings. You are incorrect. You do know that ratio between circles diameter and perimeter is absolute?
To a human mind?
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RE: What do you hate about religion?
March 20, 2014 at 11:38 pm
To anyone 
And even if everybody dies and then life evolves somewhere else they will still discover that it's 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820.. and not 4 or 5 or 6.
And if somebody says it's 6 guess what? He's wrong!
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RE: What do you hate about religion?
March 20, 2014 at 11:40 pm
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(March 20, 2014 at 11:38 pm)tor Wrote: To anyone
And even if everybody dies and then life evolves somewhere else they will still discover that it's 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820.. and not 4 or 5 or 6.
And if somebody says it's 6 guess what? He's wrong!
Not if they coincidentally use the same symbol "6" to represent the properties that you call "3.14159..." 
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RE: What do you hate about religion?
March 20, 2014 at 11:41 pm
(March 20, 2014 at 11:40 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: (March 20, 2014 at 11:38 pm)tor Wrote: To anyone
And even if everybody dies and then life evolves somewhere else they will still discover that it's 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820.. and not 4 or 5 or 6.
And if somebody says it's 6 guess what? He's wrong!
Not if they coincidentally use the same symbol "6" to represent the properties that you call "3.14159..."
They can use any symbols they like but the essence of the RATIO is still the same.
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RE: What do you hate about religion?
March 20, 2014 at 11:42 pm
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(March 20, 2014 at 11:40 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: (March 20, 2014 at 11:38 pm)tor Wrote: To anyone
And even if everybody dies and then life evolves somewhere else they will still discover that it's 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820.. and not 4 or 5 or 6.
And if somebody says it's 6 guess what? He's wrong!
Not if they coincidentally use the same symbol "6" to represent the properties that you call "3.14159..."
Which I might add, is exactly the problem when two people use the term "good." They often define it in two different and contradictory ways. Unlike numbers, good does not represent the same "essence" to each person.
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RE: What do you hate about religion?
March 20, 2014 at 11:51 pm
(March 20, 2014 at 11:42 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: (March 20, 2014 at 11:40 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Not if they coincidentally use the same symbol "6" to represent the properties that you call "3.14159..."
Which I might add, is exactly the problem when two people use the term "good." They often define it in two different and contradictory ways. Unlike numbers, good does not represent the same "essence" to each person.
Yes and to me either one of them or both are objectively wrong.
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