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RE: Family stuff :(
April 12, 2014 at 10:15 pm
Ooh. You also need to take into account what would happen in your community if other people found out. In America, the worst that could happen is some yokel idiot gives you a hard time. I don't pretend to know what the climate is like in Egypt, but if you guys' recent shenaniganery is any metric, I might keep it quiet. I know that sucks, but you have to be careful. Better to be a free atheist in the closet than an open one in jail or worse.
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RE: Family stuff :(
April 13, 2014 at 12:29 am
With no financial independence you are really at her mercy. Besides I don't know really how tolerant people in Egypt are to atheists, I imagine not very though. If you declared your atheism is there a possibility that she may share that with other people in a way that could hurt you? I don't really like telling people to hide their identity, but if it prevents you from physical harm or getting thrown out of the house by your mother, you may just have to bite the bullet. If you don't think your mother will throw you out or that anything bad will happen (besides her opinion of you possibly being tarnished) then I would say go for it. Call her bluff.
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RE: Family stuff :(
April 13, 2014 at 12:38 am
(April 12, 2014 at 6:20 pm)Marsellus Wallace Wrote: As you all may know, muslims are supposed to pray the 5 prayers everyday and its a sin if you won't do or even delay any of them.
So, when I came out as an atheist, I kept them 5 prayers so that no one suspects anything, but about few weeks ago, I just got sick of it and stopped pretending .
Now my mother realized that i'm not doing the prayers, and she's upset and says that i'm going to hell just like my grandfather(He didn't pray at all) and he will never see heaven and other crap like that . I hated what my mother said about my grandfather, cuz I liked him alot, I used to watch WWE with him all the time( He liked WWE alot )
She is not only upset, but she says she is not ever gonna talk to me if I didn't start praying and tell her whenever i'm going to pray, to be sure that i'm not lying . I was like: WTF is this shit ????
She's always serious about the not gonna talk to you thing
I don't want to cut my relation with my mother, so what should I do ? Should I just tell her that i'm an atheist ? That shit scares me alot, I have zero idea what would be the outcome .
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RE: Family stuff :(
April 13, 2014 at 1:18 am
Play her game but hit her with hard questions.
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RE: Family stuff :(
April 13, 2014 at 1:19 am
Where do you live? I wouldn't fuck around with apostasy as a Muslim in some parts of the world. If your mother is a total head case bite your tongue, bide your time and then back away slowly without taking your eye off her when you are able to make it on your own.
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RE: Family stuff :(
April 13, 2014 at 6:57 am
(This post was last modified: April 13, 2014 at 6:57 am by Marsellus Wallace.)
(April 12, 2014 at 8:01 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Parents just want what they think is best for their kids... even if it's a delusion or simply misguided.
If you don't plan on faking it until you're independent:
-Tell her, if she's right, you'll get to see your grandpa and be with him...it's important to be with family, even after death. Grandpa shouldn't be left alone for eternity.
-if she's wrong, then nothing happens... and she'll be the one responsible for the splitting of the family.It's important to be with family, specially while alive. I wish she had that sense of humor
(April 12, 2014 at 8:29 pm)Jiggerj Wrote: (April 12, 2014 at 6:30 pm)Marsellus Wallace Wrote: nope, i'm so far from that.
When you can't afford to lose your job even though you hate the work, you still do it. If you need your mother's support, then pretend to pray. I mean, after all, it's certainly not going to hurt you.
You certainly didn't pray 5 times a day ever before, and you have no idea whats is it like to keep track of all the 5 prayers in their right timing(which slightly changes everyday), and also you have to do the " wodo' " thing , in which you use water to clean your hands ,mouth ,ears , face,nose, hair,arms ,legs..... 3 times each .
Its idiotic and a big waste of my time.
(April 13, 2014 at 12:29 am)FlyingNarwhal Wrote: With no financial independence you are really at her mercy. Besides I don't know really how tolerant people in Egypt are to atheists, I imagine not very though. If you declared your atheism is there a possibility that she may share that with other people in a way that could hurt you? I don't really like telling people to hide their identity, but if it prevents you from physical harm or getting thrown out of the house by your mother, you may just have to bite the bullet. If you don't think your mother will throw you out or that anything bad will happen (besides her opinion of you possibly being tarnished) then I would say go for it. Call her bluff. you're right, In the end its about graduating and finding myself a good job, to be able to have my free will .
I got thrown out twice before for like 2-3 weeks both times, and both times were for having a big fight with my father; I stayed with my grandmother in that time, but now I can't do that cuz my grandmother is in her last days(slowly dying).
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RE: Family stuff :(
April 13, 2014 at 7:10 am
As an ex-Muslim myself I can attest to the extreme isolation you can be forced to feel when leaving the religion. I'm convinced it's just a way to get people to stay within the faith. If you are not financially independent you may need to keep up the prayers just until her cutting you off wouldn't have anything more than an emotional toll on you. I can only speak from my experience, but I have found Muslims to be the least accepting of Atheist thinking of all the religions. It's a rather strict religion, and the penalty for apostatising is usually just as severe as you'd expect. My best advice would be to bite the bullet and keep peace with your mother, but to also start actively working towards being financially independent. Once you leave your family home it makes it easier to make the decision of telling your parents. You can either live like an Atheist in private, but keep up the facade of being a Muslim around your family (I know quite a few people who do this, girls wear hijab at home, but not out etc etc) or you could tell them. At that point its an easy choice because you simply do what you feel would be the best option. No pressure about worrying you'll be homeless, hungry, etc.
Good luck. Islam sucks.
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