Marriage discrimination struck down in Arkansas.

[Heywood]

Except for polygamist and folks like Cersi and Jamie. No ninth amendment for them.

Really? You got nothing? Are you done 'defending' marriage now? Do you want to talk about Game of Thrones?

We can talk about the baker who is forced to bake for gay weddings or the photographer who is forced to shoot pictures at gay weddings...no ninth amendment for them. It seems "pursuit of happiness" only means what the reader or a judge wants it to means....in otherwords....as a guiding doctrine its so ambiguous that it is meaningless.

[Chas]

That's funny, because the Delcaration says that certain rights are unalienable. The Constitution does not grant anybody rights. It recognizes the fact that we have those rights, and always should have had those rights. That was the entire point. And, that is the entire point of the marriage equality fight. Same-sex couples should have never been denied the right to marry in the first place. This isn't giving special rights, this is fixing a historical mistake.

Would you think it would be okay if the voters decided that we had the right to shoot gingers? (which is a stupid example because that right violates the rights of others, and marriage equality violates nobody's rights)

This is the first strong point I have seen you make in a very long time Ryantology. But the fact is, it doesn't matter what description the Constitutions gives these rights, they were enacted by a vote. People voted on which rights are "inalienable". Another constitution can come along and say a completely different set of rights are "inalienable". In principle we could desolve the Constitution just like we did the Articles of Confederation.

The Constitution, to my recollection, doesn't say anything about marriage. I don't believe marriage is an unalienable right under the Constitution.

The Constitution is not a complete enumeration of rights, nor is it meant to be.

Ninth Amendment
The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Tenth Amendment
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

[Silver]

We can talk about the baker who is forced to bake for gay weddings or the photographer who is forced to shoot pictures at gay weddings

But I would rather talk about your personal relationship with the bible.

[Lemonvariable72]

Oh, you didn't hear? Ryantology, he's moved the goalposts. We're talking about incest now, a la Cersei and Jamie Lannister.

No he even got that wrong, he called them polygamists. Just hey woods benefit, incest is marrying close family, Not wrong according to the Bible, and polygamy is marrying multiple people, again its okay in the bible.

[SteelCurtain]

We can talk about the baker who is forced to bake for gay weddings or the photographer who is forced to shoot pictures at gay weddings...no ninth amendment for them. It seems "pursuit of happiness" only means what the reader or a judge wants it to means....in otherwords....as a guiding doctrine its so ambiguous that it is meaningless.

So, you're done, then?

There are threads for all those other things. Have you completely abandoned the defense of your original point?

[Losty]

Really? You got nothing? Are you done 'defending' marriage now? Do you want to talk about Game of Thrones?

We can talk about the baker who is forced to bake for gay weddings or the photographer who is forced to shoot pictures at gay weddings...no ninth amendment for them. It seems "pursuit of happiness" only means what the reader or a judge wants it to means....in otherwords....as a guiding doctrine its so ambiguous that it is meaningless.

Well you could start a new thread and talk about that, or go to the existing thread and talk about it. Why are you trying to change the subject of this thread?

[Lemonvariable72]

Really? You got nothing? Are you done 'defending' marriage now? Do you want to talk about Game of Thrones?

We can talk about the baker who is forced to bake for gay weddings or the photographer who is forced to shoot pictures at gay weddings...no ninth amendment for them. It seems "pursuit of happiness" only means what the reader or a judge wants it to means....in otherwords....as a guiding doctrine its so ambiguous that it is meaningless.

And no body can legally force a photographer or a baker to give service with there consent

[Ryantology]

We can talk about the baker who is forced to bake for gay weddings or the photographer who is forced to shoot pictures at gay weddings...no ninth amendment for them. It seems "pursuit of happiness" only means what the reader or a judge wants it to means....in otherwords....as a guiding doctrine its so ambiguous that it is meaningless.

No professional baker is forced to be a professional baker. Just so, no professional baker has the right to violate the law in the process of practicing that profession. If that professional baker wants to be a professional baker, there are certain rules that baker must follow. If he does not wish to follow those rules, he is free to choose a profession in which he does not have to make a compromise with his deeply-felt hatreds.

[SteelCurtain]

[Heywood]

Except for polygamist and folks like Cersi and Jamie. No ninth amendment for them.

Really? You got nothing? Are you done 'defending' marriage now? Do you want to talk about Game of Thrones?

I talked about George and Martha too....but you conveniently forgot about that.