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Evolution, religion, and ignorance.
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 (May 11, 2014 at 6:20 pm)RDK Wrote: If odds are so far against the chance production of life by accident, why not consider an alternate. Because the odds are not impossible.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter  (May 11, 2014 at 5:47 pm)pocaracas Wrote:(May 11, 2014 at 5:40 pm)RDK Wrote: If atoms have an intelligent reason to assemble themselves into useful things, it can only be since they are under intelligent control. Odds are great for stupid atoms to create nothing at all. They are just as likely to create as to un-create, a 50/50 proposition. I'll say they can just as quickly un-create anything they manage to create, certainly with no pro-life agenda.  (May 11, 2014 at 6:20 pm)RDK Wrote: If odds are so far against the chance production of life by accident, why not consider an alternate. They may be against it happening at any particular time, but given millions of years and billions upon billions of particles... no matter how unlikely, it can happen and we are here, so it did happen. (May 11, 2014 at 6:20 pm)RDK Wrote: I believe that animals change for a reasonThat is why you fail.
When you are dealing with odds, you have to consider that you will be successful most of the time to produce any good results. Trouble is, you have every possibility of losing everything which you just accomplished. In order for evolution to work, you have to assume that your huge single gamble paid off, and now you can bet again with all your winnings. That's the fallacy. Evolution requires you to win and win , one loss and the animal dies and you have to start over. You would run out of animals with that gambling policy. You just can't stack success upon success by rolling the options. The actual fact is that animals are changing without the death sentence which must be enforced with happen-chance as a mechanism.
 Quote:If odds are so far against the chance production of life by accident, why not consider an alternate. Because the odds against the production of life by accident aren't all that great. In fact, they're 1:1. How do I know? I'm alive. Quote:I have not tried to fill you with religious ideas at all, just trying to refute ideas which have no useful place in science. Biology has no useful place in science? Quote:I believe that animals change for a reason, to improve their useful life here on this planet. What you believe is utterly beside the point. You have no supportive evidence for your belief in this matter. Quote:If life is something beyond just a collection of physical parts, then we have to pursue that in a non-mechanical way. I refer you to the ephors reply to Phillip II. The rest of your post has been more than amply addressed by others. Boru
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Compulsive procrastinator  Religious Views: Agnostic atheist, anti-theist, whovian, misanthrope? (May 11, 2014 at 6:20 pm)RDK Wrote: I didn't think that I would get a happy response-I am challenging all of your previously valued beliefs. Evolution is not a 'valued belief' of mine. If evolution is wrong, I want to know. I want to believe as many true things as possible. I don't think anyone get emotionally invested in a scientific theory to the point that they would just deny evidence against it. Only religion seems to do that.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House “Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech  (May 11, 2014 at 5:40 pm)RDK Wrote: If atoms have an intelligent reason to assemble themselves into useful things, it can only be since they are under intelligent control. They don't, so you're just filling space with pointless arguments. "I like children. They tell what they know and then stop." - Mark Twain (May 11, 2014 at 6:35 pm)RDK Wrote: When you are dealing with odds, you have to consider that you will be successful most of the time to produce any good results. Trouble is, you have every possibility of losing everything which you just accomplished. In order for evolution to work, you have to assume that your huge single gamble paid off, and now you can bet again with all your winnings. That's the fallacy. Evolution requires you to win and win , one loss and the animal dies and you have to start over. You would run out of animals with that gambling policy. You just can't stack success upon success by rolling the options. The actual fact is that animals are changing without the death sentence which must be enforced with happen-chance as a mechanism.Still, you fail to grasp the enormity of the numbers we're dealing with, here. You wouldn't have had just one single initial self replicating organic compound... you'd get... Avogadro's constant of them. But you speak of animals... which just says you don't know anything, nor have you given it any honest thought...  (May 11, 2014 at 5:40 pm)RDK Wrote: If atoms have an intelligent reason to assemble themselves into useful things, it can only be since they are under intelligent control. Here's today's word: chemistry.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
Randomness just creates more randomness. It's kind of like watching the TV after all the broadcasters have signed off for the night. You see the TV snow which is just equal amounts of white and black bouncing around all over the screen. You can watch this for all eternity, and you never see one good program. You can increase the size of the screen but the randomness just gets greater.
If you see life around here, it's not because of random chance. You belief that through unproven methods of observation. You were told that this method makes sense, so, you believe it. The scientists have had to take a leap of faith in order to assume that we all came about by accident. You will not accept a single facet of an opposing viewpoint because you are close-minded. Don't get upset if I state the obvious. |
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