Evolution, religion, and ignorance.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Has someone implied that a vestigial appendage is some sort of evidence of upward evolution? What about the seeming leg remnants in a whale. Have you seen any walking whales in history? About the poor girl with the twin attached, I'm sure she will carry on that mutation to the next generation.
I understand that all of you are biased toward an explanation that has to include any clues that you can dig up to support an unproven theory. It's easy to look at a finished product and decide that it had to come from something simpler earlier on to make sense out of a lack of real proof for anything substantial. I know that you guys can't really agree with anything which might approach sense if it involves agreeing with a theist. You are really embarrassing yourselves.
If animals are changing as radically as you all imply, then every animal that exist should still have multitudes of unfinished variations in progress, proving that this process is still ongoing. We would not see one vestigial appendage, but a total package of changes that make up all animals. You should be able to pick out hundreds of these changes as there are multitudes of subsystems that are being altered. Where are of these mistakes? If life can only work when all of the packaged parts work in harmony to design a viable living creature do any of these changes make sense? I liken this to a house which under constant and total remodel all of the time. You couldn't live in such a structure as it is not fit for habitation. If you add thousands of years for these changes to be finished, you should see the progress, since partially designed parts have not been finished in their design. This stuff is happening accidentally, as you say. There is only one way for a part to be added to a creature before it can use the part. There are billions of ways to get it wrong. Where are all of the ongoing accidents showing that this process is still continuing?

A lot of people have raised a lot of points to you, and you are refusing to engage and instead posting walls of word salad. It is patently clear to anyone, and I mean anyone, who has even the most basic education in biology, that you really have no clue whatsoever about what you're arguing against. You've just made a Strawman (that constantly changes) which you repeatedly knock down and then proclaim victory, leaving the rest of us utterly perplexed.

It's becoming tiresome, and no doubt you're stretching everyone's patience.

[RDK]

Likewise I have brought a multitude of points to you which you refuse to answer. Is there some agreeable common ground?

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Likewise I have brought a multitude of points to you which you refuse to answer. Is there some agreeable common ground?

No.

Let me rephrase your entire argument on this thread:

1. Argument from ignorance ("there is no evidence for evolution the way it is theorised so it can't be true [also false BTW]")

2. Argument from personal incredulity ("there's no way this could have happened so my theory is correct")

3. Strawman a theory that evidences your above fallacious reasoning ("everything is random in this theory, it can't have happened that way so it must be wrong")

4. Repeat

That's literally it. So no, there is no common ground when all you've forwarded is faulty, fallacious reasoning that really doesn't make a dent in the thing you're trying to argue against.

By the way, I'm more than happy to bring out quotations from your posts which evidence this if you would like? Maybe it will show you why we've stopped taking your posts seriously.

[Anomalocaris]

The only common ground is we can agree on is you personally don't appear to have evolve beyond the chimp.

Everything else we disagree on.

[Esquilax]

Likewise I have brought a multitude of points to you which you refuse to answer. Is there some agreeable common ground?

You've produced a multitude of points that aren't worth answering because you literally aren't even describing the theory you're disagreeing with. You're just writing nonsense and then expecting us to rebut it- which you then won't bother reading- or you must be right.

You're the epitome of a shit and run imbecile, and you don't even have the good grace to be ashamed of your utterly disgraceful conduct here.

[downbeatplumb]

If animals are changing as radically as you all imply, then every animal that exist should still have multitudes of unfinished variations in progress, proving that this process is still ongoing.

Yes that's right.
Evolution hasn't finished yet.

Recognising what the changes are over eons is the thing, will it be more blonde girls because of sexual attraction, (they have more fun you know), will it be something else, we wont know for a while but evolution in humans is accelerating.

http://www.wired.com/2012/11/recent-human-evolution-2/

In the most massive study of genetic variation yet, researchers estimated the age of more than one million variants, or changes to our DNA code, found across human populations. The vast majority proved to be quite young. The chronologies tell a story of evolutionary dynamics in recent human history, a period characterized by both narrow reproductive bottlenecks and sudden, enormous population growth.

The evolutionary dynamics of these features resulted in a flood of new genetic variation, accumulating so fast that natural selection hasn’t caught up yet. As a species, we are freshly bursting with the raw material of evolution.

So yes we are awash with evolutionary changes but remember the changes are slow and accumulative. You would have to be a complete moron to expect to see large leaps that would make someone visibly not a human.

[RDK]

I expected that. Simple reason is a powerful ally. I notice that none of you pick out ANY faults with your own beliefs because you think that aren't any. This is just a crazy as trying to reason with Christians. They react exactly the same way. Welcome to evolution church. Please don't try laying on of hands please!

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I expected that. Simple reason is a powerful ally. I notice that none of you pick out ANY faults with your own beliefs because you think that aren't any. This is just a crazy as trying to reason with Christians. They react exactly the same way. Welcome to evolution church. Please don't try laying on of hands please!

See what I mean?

No attempt at a reply. Just spewing the same nonsense replying to a question that was never asked, or a theory that was never proposed. I mean, I could ask you to cite where anyone here has said we don't think there are any faults. The ToE changes all the time as evidence is produced that either reinforces or contradicts the current hypothesis. Hence the theory moves forward, and our understanding of evolution does with it. This is a basic tenant of the scientific method. But please let this all go over your head.

I would suggest to everyone replying to RDK not to bother, but that's for them to decide. You can lead a horse and all that. He can go away thinking he's made some sort of victory of he wants. Doesn't bother me one jot. He's elected himself king of his own fantasy land, and I'm more than happy to let him rule over it for eternity.

[SteelCurtain]

The irony of this thread is delectable.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

The irony of this thread is delectable.

I think RDKs understanding of irony is level 'Alanis Morissette'