Evolution, religion, and ignorance.

[RDK]

If animals are changing as radically as you all imply, then every animal that exist should still have multitudes of unfinished variations in progress, proving that this process is still ongoing.

Yes that's right.
Evolution hasn't finished yet.

Recognizing what the changes are over eons is the thing, will it be more blonde girls because of sexual attraction, (they have more fun you know), will it be something else, we wont know for a while but evolution in humans is accelerating.
The possibility for genetic change is infinite, but the actual application for that change involves random chance unless intelligence assembles some usable features. I agreed from page thirteen on that I see changes too, I just believe that randomness can't assemble anything with a good result. RDK
http://www.wired.com/2012/11/recent-human-evolution-2/

In the most massive study of genetic variation yet, researchers estimated the age of more than one million variants, or changes to our DNA code, found across human populations. The vast majority proved to be quite young. The chronologies tell a story of evolutionary dynamics in recent human history, a period characterized by both narrow reproductive bottlenecks and sudden, enormous population growth.

The evolutionary dynamics of these features resulted in a flood of new genetic variation, accumulating so fast that natural selection hasn’t caught up yet. As a species, we are freshly bursting with the raw material of evolution.

So yes we are awash with evolutionary changes but remember the changes are slow and accumulative. You would have to be a complete moron to expect to see large leaps that would make someone visibly not a human.

[pocaracas]

ok, I'll byte.. well, I'll nibble.

If animals are changing as radically as you all imply, then every animal that exist should still have multitudes of unfinished variations in progress, proving that this process is still ongoing. We would not see one vestigial appendage, but a total package of changes that make up all animals.

You should be able to pick out hundreds of these changes as there are multitudes of subsystems that are being altered. Where are of these mistakes?

A few things:
. Change happens slowly.
. Only those who survive keep the species going.
. If they survive, then they are relatively well suited to their environment.
. Luckily, the environment tends to change slowly, too, so evolution can work at its pace. (This was a poetic anthropomorphizing of the evolutionary process, no quote mining, please)

Vestigial organs are abundant, most notably in animals that are sea mammals and sea birds, given that this drastic change must have been the most recent... as drastic changes go.
So, you see the rear flippers of sea mammals as horizontal, instead of the better ( ) design of vertical rear flipper we can see in ALL fish. They're horizontal, because that's how rear paws would have aligned.

Sea birds, let's call them penguins, still have "wings", but they can't be used for flying. Still have bird-like feet, not the best "design" for swimming.

[RDK]

Sorry about the quote edit screw-up. Genetic info is infinite, but only planned application of that info will lead to any usable change.

[SteelCurtain]

Care to do anything more than assert that claim?

[RDK]

If I have found problems with the understanding of "accidental" evolution, it's because it has within it huge holes that need to be filled. If coming to conclusions about these these discrepancies is difficult, try to fill those holes yourself and admit that they are there. You keep quoting from the evolution bible and you're unwilling to take on it's inconsistencies.

[Rampant.A.I.]

Has someone implied that a vestigial appendage is some sort of evidence of upward evolution? What about the seeming leg remnants in a whale. Have you seen any walking whales in history?

Well yes, that's exactly why they have leg remnants.



http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary...vograms_03

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If I have found problems with the understanding of "accidental" evolution, it's because it has within it huge holes that need to be filled. If coming to conclusions about these these discrepancies is difficult, try to fill those holes yourself and admit that they are there. You keep quoting from the evolution bible and you're unwilling to take on it's inconsistencies.

What evolution bible? You think there's a single book that contains the theory?

The vast majority of the scientific community and academia supports evolutionary theory as the only explanation that can fully account for observations in the fields of biology, paleontology, molecular biology, genetics, anthropology, and others.[19][20][21][22][23] One 1987 estimate found that "700 scientists ... (out of a total of 480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists) ... give credence to creation-science".[24] An expert in the evolution-creationism controversy, professor and author Brian Alters, states that "99.9 percent of scientists accept evolution".[25] A 1991 Gallup poll found that about 5% of American scientists (including those with training outside biology) identified themselves as creationists.[26][27]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_..._evolution

All of these scientists publish for peer review.

Projection is a helluva drug.

[Esquilax]

If I have found problems with the understanding of "accidental" evolution, it's because it has within it huge holes that need to be filled. If coming to conclusions about these these discrepancies is difficult, try to fill those holes yourself and admit that they are there. You keep quoting from the evolution bible and you're unwilling to take on it's inconsistencies.

Listen, dude: instead of continuing to squawk about how we won't change our minds, could you perhaps consider why we don't find what you're saying persuasive?

Has the possibility that you are spouting demonstrably inaccurate statements even crossed your mind? And if not, is it really us who won't allow our minds to change?

[LastPoet]

Double standards and all, why can't they apply the same skepticism they use against science, towards their vaunted beliefs, huh?

[Rampant.A.I.]

I expected that. Simple reason is a powerful ally. I notice that none of you pick out ANY faults with your own beliefs because you think that aren't any. This is just a crazy as trying to reason with Christians. They react exactly the same way. Welcome to evolution church. Please don't try laying on of hands please!

Yeah, tell us about it. You won't even glance at a single link provided to you. All you can do is scream "I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS, IT MUST BE WRONG!" Over and over again.

[Bad Wolf]

RDK, please respond to this statement:
You don't understand evolution.