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RE: Theistic morality
May 22, 2014 at 3:54 pm
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(May 22, 2014 at 3:31 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: I don't know what the Noahide rules are.  I linked to them. I'm not going to keep responding if you're not going to read my responses.
(May 22, 2014 at 2:41 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: How convenient it would be if I got to pick and choose the rules I wanted to follow, especially if all I had to do was interpret the rules to my advantage. Haven't you already said that as an atheist you do get to pick and choose your moral rules?
Quote:Because, in the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus makes it clear that the law is in effect until heaven and earth disappear, and he has a direct warning against those who fail to uphold it, or teach others that it's okay not to uphold it.
Yes, in effect for Israel. We've already seen that the law does not apply to Gentiles, and you forget that Jesus also said that he came for the lost sheep of Israel.
Quote:Fudging on just one of them makes you the lowest piece of garbage in heaven's gutters, so what do you think happens to those who outright don't even make a token effort to uphold any of the commandments they find to be inconvenient or objectionable?
I don't know, but as I do make an effort to uphold some commands I find inconvenient, I'm not concerned about it.
Quote:The Pharisees were cursed and shamed for following the letter and ignoring the spirit of the law. Modern Christians virtually never bother with either letter or spirit. They claim that it doesn't apply to them.
And as most modern Christians are gentiles, they're correct.
Quote:I hope for your sake that God is much less a stickler for rules than the Bible makes him out to be.
Christianity does have this whole big theme about a savior you know.
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RE: Theistic morality
May 22, 2014 at 4:14 pm
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(May 22, 2014 at 3:54 pm)alpha male Wrote: I linked to them. I'm not going to keep responding if you're not going to read my responses.
Must of missed it, what page is it on.
And for fuck sake, stop ignoring my questions.
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RE: Theistic morality
May 22, 2014 at 4:18 pm
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(May 22, 2014 at 3:54 pm)alpha male Wrote: (May 22, 2014 at 2:41 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: How convenient it would be if I got to pick and choose the rules I wanted to follow, especially if all I had to do was interpret the rules to my advantage. Haven't you already said that as an atheist you do get to pick and choose your moral rules?
I have a vested interest in existing within my society, and not doing so has real consequences, so I do not have the practical freedom to be choosy with the laws I follow, as you do with yours, since you don't have to pay the price here on earth.
Quote:Yes, in effect for Israel. We've already seen that the law does not apply to Gentiles, and you forget that Jesus also said that he came for the lost sheep of Israel.
We've seen that Gentiles don't want the rules to apply to them. I see nothing else that says the rules don't apply to Gentiles.
Quote:I don't know, but as I do make an effort to uphold some commands I find inconvenient, I'm not concerned about it.
Obviously, you don't for the majority of them. That should concern you when you are explicitly told to uphold even the least of them.
Quote:And as most modern Christians are gentiles, they're correct.
Again, I see nothing which supports this assertion, other than the desire of Gentiles to be free from God's rules.
Quote:Christianity does have this whole big theme about a savior you know.
Oh, I know. I also know that the desire for salvation has to be sincere. Categorically refusing to follow most of God's laws doesn't strike me as being sincere about wanting salvation. It rings 100% hollow to repent while not even bothering to change, and a God who punishes all of humanity because two simpletons fell for a trap he set isn't a God who is going to care about your excuses.
But, whatever. It's your afterlife. You'd probably better hope we're right about that detail.
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RE: Theistic morality
May 23, 2014 at 8:34 am
(May 22, 2014 at 4:18 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: I have a vested interest in existing within my society, and not doing so has real consequences, so I do not have the practical freedom to be choosy with the laws I follow, as you do with yours, since you don't have to pay the price here on earth. Whiskey tango... Christians have real consequences here on earth too. We have a get out of hell free card, not a get out of jail free card.
Quote:We've seen that Gentiles don't want the rules to apply to them. I see nothing else that says the rules don't apply to Gentiles.
Did you see the Exodus and Acts passages I gave?
Quote:Obviously, you don't for the majority of them. That should concern you when you are explicitly told to uphold even the least of them.
I wasn't told that. Jesus said he came only for the lost sheep of Israel. I'm not of Israel.
Quote:Again, I see nothing which supports this assertion, other than the desire of Gentiles to be free from God's rules.
Again, see the Exodus and Acts passages I gave. Seriously, Acts 15 specifically addresses the question of whether Gentile Christians were subject to the Mosaic law, and the determination was that they're not. You and Bad Wolf can put blinders on and pretend it's not there, but it is there.
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RE: Theistic morality
May 28, 2014 at 10:33 pm
This is something that I've always found to be outrageous, anything is justifiable if it's in the name of God.
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