Open to all-would you sacrifice your child if god told you to?

[Godscreated]

God could just ask for Abraham's trust and faith...or he could ask for a human sacrifice. I wonder which one the biblical god prefers?

Yeah, actually I think this is another important point: god could have just decided to talk honestly and straight, but instead he opted to mentally scar a child.

What proof do you have that Issac was mentally scared, the scriptures showed he trusted God and Abraham.

Just keep that in mind as the apologetics begin to fly from the theist side.

The only dodgy things going on here are the atheist dodging reality, to try and make up some kind of big deal out of a hypothetical, which has nothing to do with real life.

GC

[The Valkyrie]

I feel a little bad looking back now seems I'm the only one who jumped right in to the hypothetical child murdering deal.

I do not like to deal in the hypothetical and want, it's a waste of time and life over something that's made up to distract from reality.

GC

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The "not a Christian therefore don't understand Christianity and it's contexts" claim.

Gotcha.

RJA

Glad to see you agree, though I think it's sad not funny.

GC

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God could just ask for Abraham's trust and faith...or he could ask for a human sacrifice. I wonder which one the biblical god prefers?

God cares nothing for child sacrifice, and what's trust and faith without a reason.

GC

"Woosh!"

THat's the sarcasm going completely over your head.

I understand Christianity just fine. And no amount of Christians trying to word salad their way out of the statements of their own little book will change that.



RJA

[Nine]

And yet they keep repeating it as though their all-powerful deity couldn't know these things anyway.

It's like the "sacrifice" of Jesus thing: all powerful deity needs to sacrifice itself to itself to change its own rules.

It gives you a whole new respect for super hero comic writers, must be a nightmare avoiding plot holes when you have super powers involved. They didn't stand a chance in the bible when they gave the main character all the powers.

[Esquilax]

What proof do you have that Issac was mentally scared, the scriptures showed he trusted God and Abraham.

Well gee, if your dad took you as a child and was about to kill you in the name of god, that wouldn't be even a little bit frightening to you?

I don't have proof beyond the simple logic of the scenario, because I don't think the story actually took place, but if you were willing to look beyond your presuppositions and actually think about how human beings react to things, you'd understand.

Unfortunately, stripping away your own biases is just something you don't do, is it?

The only dodgy things going on here are the atheist dodging reality, to try and make up some kind of big deal out of a hypothetical, which has nothing to do with real life.

GC

Don't you think the story actually happened?

What you're basically saying with your "god wouldn't say that!" dodge is that you'd fail the Abraham test if god tried it on you today. And I read before your nonsense "oh, Abraham knew what god was doing ahead of time" crap, and I'd certainly like to know where that is present in the text, but more importantly, how does the parable actually work, if that's true? The whole story is about having faith in god even to the point of sacrificing something precious to him; how does that story even function if, as you claim, Abraham had some idea of what was going on before he went ahead with it?

You're undercutting the central premise of the narrative.

[Chad32]

The whole point of the story is to show that you should be willing to give anything to Yahweh. What other lesson would there be? Even if you trust that he wouldn't take your children away, you should still have the mindset that you would kill your child for him if he really wanted you to.

It's a dick move that no benevolent person would do to someone.

You're right a Christian should be willing to give his/her all to God, however when one knows his God he's sure what want be asked of him. I wouldn't worship a god who expected me to sacrifice even you.
You are trying to make a big deal through assumption, an assumption that's not going to happen, one I know I do not have to worry about. I deal in reality, it's you who wants to make up fairy tales through assumptions and you call me delusional.

GC

Then you'd best reject christianity, because the new and old testament commans you to kill people like me. It is better to tie a millstone around a person's neck, and throw them into a river, then to allow them to lead anyone away from christ.

It is not an assumption that your deity requires you to kill for him. It is a fact, relayed repeatedly through scriptures.

[RaisdCath]

I have posted this poll as open to all, but I am expecting that only religious members will answer in the affirmative. If you received a message in your head that you were sure was god , telling you to kill your child , would you do it? We are told that Abraham was the sort of believer that God wanted. Do you come up to scratch?

First and foremost, as most of the many bibles out and about would have the reader believe, there was a man called Abraham (Abram in the beginning). There wasn't...at least not the one in these many bibles.
Second- I have a "living will" that states, in part, that should my mind become so deranged that I begin telling people that god spoke to me, I'm to be immediately put to sleep....permanently!!

So...to preserve my own life....no, I wouldn't sacrifice my child - regardless.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Nope.

Shocking, eh?

[Godscreated]

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I do not like to deal in the hypothetical and want, it's a waste of time and life over something that's made up to distract from reality.

GC

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Glad to see you agree, though I think it's sad not funny.

GC

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God cares nothing for child sacrifice, and what's trust and faith without a reason.

GC

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"Woosh!"

THat's the sarcasm going completely over your head.

I understand Christianity just fine. And no amount of Christians trying to word salad their way out of the statements of their own little book will change that.



RJA

There was no sarcasm, you're making excuses for not understanding what scripture says, let lone teaches.

GC

[The Valkyrie]

"Woosh!"

THat's the sarcasm going completely over your head.

I understand Christianity just fine. And no amount of Christians trying to word salad their way out of the statements of their own little book will change that.



RJA

There was no sarcasm, you're making excuses for not understanding what scripture says, let lone teaches.

GC

I've already stated I understand it perfectly.

Just haven't caught up with the various equivocations of the religious to try to justify the evils of their little book.

Dr RJA.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

The Abraham/Issac story is complex and has numerous layers. Abraham himself comes across as a crazy old coot with no redeeming qualities. He was a liar, murderer, thief, adulterer, sexual pervert, cruel, and petty. When he saw an opportunity to enrich himself at the expense of Issac he jumped at it. It's the classic story of selling one's soul to the devil for personal gain.

When Satan tempted Jesus and promised him the world if Jesus would worship him Jesus turned him down. Abraham eagerly accepted that deal. Later on Jesus offered the same deal to his listeners if they would worship him. So whether it's God, Satan, or Jesus, they all offer bribes to get people to worship them. It's something that the Greek and Roman gods did all of the time.

Humans love to have leaders, real or imaginary, tell them what to do. So while the God character takes a hit for telling the crazy old coot Abraham to gut and roast Issac people are always sacrificing their kids because their leaders tell them to. It's easy during wars. The aggressor incites his sheep and tells them that they have to go stomp on their neighbors. So the sheep gladly send their sons off to die for the leader's whims although they won't personally get a penny out of it. But they will pay the price in their children's deaths and wounds. When it's all over they will take pride in it.

Therefore, whether it's some imaginary deity or a national nutjob leader, people are basically insane for believing his line of BS.

Now tell your kids to go join the military. Take pride in sacrificing them for the rich.