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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
July 14, 2014 at 9:21 am
(July 14, 2014 at 8:55 am)Revelation777 Wrote: Because you don't have a choice of what is reality. Valhalla is not real, heaven is. Why? Because God said so.
I wonder what it takes for you to post a a statement which seeks to dismiss the very thing you endorse in the same statement.
When you read this back to yourself, do you not just think "wow, I had a serious dumb moment then didn't I?"
Do you think you're doing your God's work acting the fool? Isn't there anyone else we can talk to?
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
July 14, 2014 at 9:23 am
(July 14, 2014 at 8:55 am)Revelation777 Wrote: Because you don't have a choice of what is reality. Valhalla is not real, heaven is. Why? Because God said so.
Didn't you get through saying earlier on the page that I can choose my own destiny? 
You mean there's someone limiting my choices?! Why, it's almost like someone else is choosing for me, against my will!  hock:
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
July 14, 2014 at 11:35 am
(July 14, 2014 at 8:55 am)Revelation777 Wrote: (July 12, 2014 at 12:02 am)Esquilax Wrote: Why would you not choose Valhalla? 
Because you don't have a choice of what is reality. Valhalla is not real, heaven is. Why? Because God said so.
What is REAL?
How do you define REAL?
It seems you define it by what is written in a book. A book that makes rather bold claims concerning a rather extraordinary entity... the one you
are calling god.
That would not be a definition of REAL that I (or any atheist on this forum) would use...
Is it REAL that any god said what you think it said?
Is it REAL that any god exists?
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July 14, 2014 at 5:37 pm
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(July 11, 2014 at 8:50 am)Revelation777 Wrote: (July 10, 2014 at 7:54 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: How do you show love, hope, and faith? Have you sold all of your possessions and given the proceeds to the poor? If someone asks you for something do you give it to him without a second thought? Have you left your family and started preaching across the land with just the clothes on your back? Is your faith strong enough to enable you to move a mountain just by telling it to move? No doubt I have been changed by Christ, He is still working on me. So your answer to the above questions is "no"?
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
July 15, 2014 at 1:15 am
(July 10, 2014 at 1:13 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: It's hard to wrap your head around the concept of "nothing" because everything in our reality is in fact "something". Therefore it's hard to think about what "nothing" is and its properties. The quantum foam theory attempts to explain how everything came from nothing. It makes a lot more sense than the Catholic theory of the Big Bang does. krauss said in his book: “There is something simply because if there were nothing, we wouldn’t find ourselves living there!”
so that would mean since things are here, it didn't come from 'nothing'.
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July 15, 2014 at 1:22 am
(July 15, 2014 at 1:15 am)snowtracks Wrote: (July 10, 2014 at 1:13 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: It's hard to wrap your head around the concept of "nothing" because everything in our reality is in fact "something". Therefore it's hard to think about what "nothing" is and its properties. The quantum foam theory attempts to explain how everything came from nothing. It makes a lot more sense than the Catholic theory of the Big Bang does. krauss said in his book: “There is something simply because if there were nothing, we wouldn’t find ourselves living there!”
so that would mean since things are here, it didn't come from 'nothing'.
Then we agree? There was never an unadulterated 'nothing'. Before anything you can name, X, there were the necessary conditions to give rise to X, and so on ad infinitum. A prime mover is therefore absurd given this fact.
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July 15, 2014 at 1:52 am
(July 15, 2014 at 1:22 am)whateverist Wrote: (July 15, 2014 at 1:15 am)snowtracks Wrote: krauss said in his book: “There is something simply because if there were nothing, we wouldn’t find ourselves living there!”
so that would mean since things are here, it didn't come from 'nothing'.
Then we agree? There was never an unadulterated 'nothing'. Before anything you can name, X, there were the necessary conditions to give rise to X, and so on ad infinitum. A prime mover is therefore absurd given this fact. the cause is always greater than effect. the mind exist, so it didn't originate from the mindless.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
July 15, 2014 at 2:03 am
(July 15, 2014 at 1:52 am)snowtracks Wrote: the cause is always greater than effect. the mind exist, so it didn't originate from the mindless.
I think we need to acquaint you with a couple things, like nuclear bombs or landslides, or grenades. 
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July 15, 2014 at 2:05 am
(July 15, 2014 at 1:52 am)snowtracks Wrote: (July 15, 2014 at 1:22 am)whateverist Wrote: Then we agree? There was never an unadulterated 'nothing'. Before anything you can name, X, there were the necessary conditions to give rise to X, and so on ad infinitum. A prime mover is therefore absurd given this fact. the cause is always greater than effect. the mind exist, so it didn't originate from the mindless.
Tell that to an avalanche
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
July 15, 2014 at 2:16 am
(July 15, 2014 at 1:52 am)snowtracks Wrote: the cause is always greater than effect. the mind exist, so it didn't originate from the mindless. Let me see if that logic is generalizable.
"The natural exists, so it didn't originate from the supernatural."
They both seem to beg the question.
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