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RE: why i believe in Islam?
May 29, 2010 at 4:55 pm
Mo3taz3nbar Wrote:i meant i dont know about the owners of the websites.its that easy i read something in the Quran i search wether these facts are true or not then i write it here and search for a website that make it easier for u to look at.if u want i can post the websites that contains these scientific fact but i think it is easy for anyone to type those fact on google
I personally find that I don't usually care for people to link to sites to say what they mean... I'm a very direct person, see Of course, I should recommend you be open to being wrong about what is 'fact', else what could you learn from discussion?
Adrian Wrote:What a pathetic attitude. Exactly how do you objectively tell when someone is attacking / defending a position "without thinking"? I mean, technically speaking there is quite a lot of thought going on when crafting any kind of response, so your policy for ignoring comments is based on the comments you just don't want to address.
Here's a tip for you. How about you go and read up on how a "discussion" works? Contrary to your discussions with God, discussions with humans aren't one-way.
You know... I agree with everything except the "exactly how do you objectively tell when __"... Did you perhaps mean to say 'impartially'? :S
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RE: why i believe in Islam?
May 29, 2010 at 5:13 pm
(This post was last modified: May 29, 2010 at 5:50 pm by Ace Otana.)
(May 29, 2010 at 9:15 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: (May 28, 2010 at 7:43 am)Ace Wrote:
Very clean though!
Cilit Bang?
You know, I think it's good you can't flash it just like that. Since you can piss and take a dumb on it as many times as you want for days on end. Eventually it'll degrade and fall apart but after enduring many unpleasent visits from infidels leaving numerous messages.
If I had the qur'an or bible here (which I don't, I burnt the last one) I would rip off and burn one page at a time. Last time I just burnt the whole thing in one go. Anyone got a bible or qur'an for me to burn?
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RE: why i believe in Islam?
May 30, 2010 at 11:32 am
Here's an interesting blog article I found just now at The Godless Monster.
http://thegodlessmonster.com/2010/05/29/once-a-muslim/
Quote:Once a Muslim…
By godlessmonster
I don’t know how many times in the past I’ve had other Arabs ask me if I was Muslim, but it’s been a lot. My response used to be, “Yes, but I don’t go to the mosque anymore.” Usually that answer, although not ideal, would suffice. At least I wasn’t an apostate. Allah forbid!
Years before I became an atheist, however, I decided to make a clean break with Islam and deny it outright to others if asked. If I told a Muslim that I used to be one of them, but was not a Muslim any longer, the reaction would typically be, “Oh no, no, no, no, no! Once a Muslim, ALWAYS a Muslim! You can never go back!”
My response would invariably be something akin to, “Yeah, I get a lot of that now…anyway, give me 10 bucks on pump 6, please.”
I remember the first time I learned about the “Once a Muslim, Always a Muslim” thing. It was from a friend of my father’s (we’ll call him”Mr. A”) who taught “Sunday school” at the mosque. Back in the day, when there weren’t many Muslims on this side of the pond, we had to attend mosque on Sunday. Kind of a “when in Rome” thing we had going on there at the time. But I digress…
Mr. A was standing in front of the class, going on and on about how glorious it was to be a Muslim and what a privilege it was, etc. when one of the kids raised their hand. “Yes, you have a question?” asked Mr. A. The kid asked, “What if you don’t want to be Muslim?”
“Oh…this is a very important question! Does anybody know the answer? Who knows?” asked Mr. A.
Of course, as all of us were about 8 years old, none of us knew shit.
“Okay, I will give you the answer! You can never leave Islam. You would never want to leave anyway! It is the most wonderful gift in the world to be a Muslim, so if you do leave, the punishment is death.”
I sat there stunned. It was the first of many “What the fuck!?” moments I was to have while attending mosque. At 8, I didn’t even know the word “fuck” of course, but you get my drift.
Being a half-breed and attending Catholic services put me dangerously close to being an apostate, if indeed I wasn’t already. As far as I knew, I WAS an apostate. I was probably an apostate to the Catholics as well, but they didn’t want to kill me…just kick the ever-loving shit out of me during recess (as I was to later learn in 5th grade). I was a religious double-agent.
I became obsessed with the whole idea of being killed for the sin of apostasy and later asked Mr. A who would do the actual killing, if for example, I was to betray Islam? Would it be Allah or would it be a person? I don’t remember his answer, but I do recall that he squirmed uncomfortably and basically sidestepped the whole question.
Allah seemed to have his people do all his work for him, so I eventually came to the conclusion on my own that if I was found out, it would be someone I knew who would kill me. Would it be Mr. A? The imam? One of the scary looking guys from the old country? Would they hurt my daddy? My stomach hurt all day on Sundays.
After a few years, I figured nobody at my mosque was going to be killing me for attending Catholic Church on Sunday, but I never volunteered the information to anyone.
Ever.
Just in case…
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RE: why i believe in Islam?
June 4, 2010 at 11:11 am
am still waiting if anyone have a question or want more details about any of the points i mentioned on my first post
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RE: why i believe in Islam?
June 5, 2010 at 2:55 am
(June 4, 2010 at 11:11 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: am still waiting if anyone have a question or want more details about any of the points i mentioned on my first post
Sorry bebe...
Your belief is your own nad as such no one cares really.
You like islam?? It makes sense to you?? ..Well done.
For others it doesn't and so they seek.
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RE: why i believe in Islam?
June 5, 2010 at 7:14 am
(June 4, 2010 at 11:11 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: am still waiting if anyone have a question or want more details about any of the points i mentioned on my first post
Re-read your first post.
You just told us what you believe not why you believe.
Your post just looked like a typical fundie post, nothing new or comment worthy lay therein.
This could explain the dearth of responses.
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RE: why i believe in Islam?
June 5, 2010 at 8:44 am
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(June 5, 2010 at 7:14 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: (June 4, 2010 at 11:11 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: am still waiting if anyone have a question or want more details about any of the points i mentioned on my first post
Re-read your first post.
You just told us what you believe not why you believe.
Your post just looked like a typical fundie post, nothing new or comment worthy lay therein.
This could explain the dearth of responses. lol continue the thread to the last
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RE: why i believe in Islam?
June 6, 2010 at 5:58 am
(June 5, 2010 at 8:44 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: (June 5, 2010 at 7:14 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: (June 4, 2010 at 11:11 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: am still waiting if anyone have a question or want more details about any of the points i mentioned on my first post
Re-read your first post.
You just told us what you believe not why you believe.
Your post just looked like a typical fundie post, nothing new or comment worthy lay therein.
This could explain the dearth of responses. lol continue the thread to the last
But why Islam?
You've not shown any advantages over any of the other belief systems.
I can only assume its because of your physical location or upbringing.
And again youve told us what you believe but not WHY.
You have given us spurious evidence that equates to nostradamus quatrains. Ambiguous quotes from the holy book you follow, that purport to point to scientific discoveries made after they were written but could mean anything.
You have made several threads defending Islam and this is telling.
If something needs justifying time and again maybe just maybe its not as good or moral as you think.
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RE: why i believe in Islam?
June 6, 2010 at 6:31 am
Quote:But why Islam?
You've not shown any advantages over any of the other belief systems.
I can only assume its because of your physical location or upbringing.
showing advantages need a book to read i cant just make a thread about it and also you have to know at first about the main beliefs before we start talking about anything regarding what you say that maybe am a muslim because of my location i agree with you that a lot of people stay on the religion of their parents but i didnt do that i start thinking and searching in different religions until i got convinced that islam is the truth and that its a divine from god
Quote:And again youve told us what you believe but not WHY.
i wrote some of the reasons that make me believe that muhammed(pbuh) was a prophet and also some of the reasons that made me believe that the Quran is the word of god
Quote:You have given us spurious evidence that equates to nostradamus quatrains. Ambiguous quotes from the holy book you follow, that purport to point to scientific discoveries made after they were written but could mean anything.
scientific facts about creation that was discovered from hundred years was said in the Quran from 1400 years in the time it was impossible to know about them what that tells u?didnt it tell you that its impossible to believe that this book was written by anyone except god
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RE: why i believe in Islam?
June 6, 2010 at 7:36 am
Quote:didnt it tell you that its impossible to believe that this book was written by anyone except god
I believe the book was written by ignorant men. So obviously it is possible to view it at as not written by god.
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