To explain knowledge of God

[FatAndFaithless]

Because God said we must.

How do you know this?

And what makes it such an imperative? In other words, why should I care whether your god said it or not? First establish this god as an actual thing outside your head or your book. Only then can we talk about what I "must" do.

Obviously you haven't A/S/S'ed. I mean A/S/K'ed.

[Minimalist]

...and you did not even consider 'my method' is not mine at all but what is actually written in the bible.

I'm sure that is a compelling argument to a first-rate moron like you, drippy, but to the sane people around here it is just a pile of dogshit.

[Jenny A]

Drich? Too prideful to doubt what you know about god? He's told you the real truth in the Book of Mormon. Just ask with a sincere heart with the knowledge of Jesus Christ.

Or do you think the Moroni's method is circular? If so congratulations because it is the very same method as A/S/K. If not, why aren't you seeking the truth about the Book of Mormon?

[Simon Moon]

Drich: If you A/S/K as per Luke 11 you will receive a measure of the Holy Spirit. Meaing you will be given a peice of God to help you establish and maintain a relationship.

How do you know many atheists did not try this when they/we were believers?

Anyone else: We Asked, and sought, or we ask and knocked or I sought and asked once.... and did not receive anything therefore God can not be real because the universe spins around me, and if there is a God then he better damn well meet me on my terms who does he think he is...

This is exactly what I was talking about when I said A/S/k is unfalsifiable. "If it failed, you must have left a step out". Or, "you only tried once". You have an answer ready for anyone that says the tried and got no response.

You are assuming that one of the three A/S/K steps was left out of our attempts?

For arguments sake lets say, we did leave a step out, but in all other ways were sincere. Wouldn't a god that wanted to have this relationship with us understand our sincerity and wish to have a relationship with him and give us a 'measure of the holy spirit' anyway?

What kind of petty deity would think, "that guy really wants to have have a relationship with me, his sincerity is 100%. Oh, but he left out a step. He goes to hell. Too bad really, because he was so close".

"Or maybe it was unfair of me to have him born and raised in a Hindu country. He didn't even make an attempt to A/S/K. Oh well, he goes to hell".

[Anomalocaris]

*rubs his temples* Sometimes I wonder why I bother at all with some theists on this site.

I don't really talk to them.

It reflects well upon a worm to be seen being talked to by a human. It does not reflect well upon a human to be seen talking to a worm.

[Angrboda]

I did a thread of this once before. If your 'beliefs' do not relfect the God of the bible not what he has put together for us then what would make you think He would support your broken understanding of Him? If He supported your Broken understanding then He would only have verified the mistakes in theology you have. Sending you further away from who He actually is and closer to who you think God to be.

I am not picking on any one church, but if you look at Christianity as a whole there is one 'main stream group' who has played this senerio out. They have a series of head preists who get to rewrite the bible in their various decrees. now if you take the bible and read it and compare it to this particular religion' core beliefs you will find that some of their core doctrines are not only not in the bible what is in the bible flat our goes against what they say do. Now imagine if God supported them with miricals and all the trim and lace most of you look for (signs and wonders) This would only throw gasoline on the fire and they would freighttrain themselves away from God.

As it is God does not support those who do not know Him as He does for those who do. If you are not being supported, it does not mean God does not exist. It means your specific version of God does not exist. That is why we are told to KNOCK/Persist. Because depending on how hard we want to hold on to our personal version of God will determine on how long we will be knocking.

I don't remember this in Luke 11. Where did you get this from?

what made you think this was a quote from luke 11?

The question remains. Where are you getting this from?

[Mystical]

I'm fairly certain Min is ignored by many. So I thought I'd bump this. Seems relevant to me, and I'd like Drich to respond to it for me please

Also, did godschild seriously drop and run? Seems cowardly.

Where? And how do you know GOD said it?

King James Bible
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Matty 7:7

Whaddaya know. Turns out ole jebus was full of shit.

[Tonus]

I'm fairly certain Min is ignored by many. So I thought I'd bump this. Seems relevant to me, and I'd like Drich to respond to it for me please

Unless I am mistaken, Min's post confirms Drich's claim? Jesus/God is the one who said "ask, seek, knock."

[LastPoet]

King James Bible
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Matty 7:7

(bold mine)
Is it just me or this reads like an archaic erotic novel?

[professor]

Stimbo, we don't have to do anything- we can let the chips fall where they land.
And face the consequences of whatever decision we make.
Go for it, but think long and hard about life and the nature of reality.
Now, if you want to know God, there is a MUST that is required.