Your stance on Hard Atheism

[trmof]

When Gnostic Atheists have been placed in positions of power they were able to kill more people in one century than the entire number of people killed by all the world's religions up to that point. I would argue than an ideology that leads that allows such monsters as Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and others to do what they did without a hint of remorse is the more dangerous ideology.

I've said it a hundred times, but the ideology which has made these "monsters" the powerful rulers they were is precisely Christianity. Over the course of centuries, it has conditioned the people to follow charismatic saviour figures without engaging in critical thinking.

There are atheists alive today who would do exactly the same sort of thing if given power, or if they seized it. The atheist political group the Tamil Tigers was responsible for more suicide bombings than any other group at the time of their disbanding. What would have happened if they had actually gained control of Sri Lanka?

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By hard atheism I mean those who claim the non-existence of a God or gods as fact. They do in fact exist, and they are for the most part insufferable to have a conversation with.

As for the characteristics, a lower-case "god" would be a being which possesses power which would appear as incomprehensible magic to humans. This would apply to any being such as a demon or angel.

The creator God would be distinguished by his ability to, if not outright create, at least mold and shape universes to his liking.

Which ones yours? upper or lowercase?

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Because their god is a liar who's trying to ride on the real one's coattails.

Why does the real one let him steal his patents?

The upper-case one. As for patents, there is no mention in the Bible of any kind of patent law. My god believes in the free exchange of information.

[Alex K]

There are atheists alive today who would do exactly the same sort of thing if given power,

What a peculiar time for you to make that distinction and single out atheists. Have you watched the news lately?

[Aoi Magi]

Terrorism doesn't have anything to do with atheism. Religion fosters terrorism through the scriptures. There is nothing which says if you don't believe in fairies go murder everyone who does believe!

[trmof]

When Gnostic Atheists have been placed in positions of power they were able to kill more people in one century than the entire number of people killed by all the world's religions up to that point. I would argue than an ideology that leads that allows such monsters as Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and others to do what they did without a hint of remorse is the more dangerous ideology.

You are spouting a lot of nonsense, making unevidenced claims.

You are also delusional. So, there's that.

Hundreds of millions of people died under explicitly atheist regimes during the 20th century. If you think there is no evidence for that, I suggest you visit some mass graves some time.

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Terrorism doesn't have anything to do with atheism. Religion fosters terrorism through the scriptures. There is nothing which says if you don't believe in fairies go murder everyone who does believe!

There is also nothing holding you back from murdering everybody in your way if that's what you want to do and you feel you can get away with it. Tell me: Why was Stalin wrong to murder millions upon millions of people? He got away with it didn't he? So what was objectively wrong about it besides you not liking it?

And yes, there have been many atheist groups who used terrorism tactics throughout history.

[Aoi Magi]

The upper-case one. As for patents, there is no mention in the Bible of any kind of patent law. My god believes in the free exchange of information.

Ah so you finally reveal something about your god concept. Good first step.

So in other words your god let his patents be used to spread misinformation which in turn caused many genocides? I bow to his wisdom.

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Terrorism doesn't have anything to do with atheism. Religion fosters terrorism through the scriptures. There is nothing which says if you don't believe in fairies go murder everyone who does believe!

There is also nothing holding you back from murdering everybody in your way if that's what you want to do and you feel you can get away with it. Tell me: Why was Stalin wrong to murder millions upon millions of people? He got away with it didn't he? So what was objectively wrong about it besides you not liking it?

And yes, there have been many atheist groups who used terrorism tactics throughout history.

There is, and it's called the law. If you really can't figure out why Stalin was wrong, you need serious help with your moral compass. Please cite the "atheist" groups who had atheism as their motivation for mass atrocities or at least had it as part of their agenda, and please list out the religious groups which had an religious agenda or religious motivation for their mass murders.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

You 'know' no such thing. You merely believe it. Why? Because there are explanations for the phenomena that cause you to believe in God that are equally as good as the God-derived explanations. When you're faced with two equal sets of explanations and opt for one over the other (especially in view of lack of evidence for Godism and in spite of the overwhelmingly strong evidentiary support for naturalistic explanations) you've opted for belief over knowledge. Epistomologically, that's always been a weak stance to take.

That being said, I don't doubt the sincerity of your belief. That is to say, I don't think you're having us on or anything of that sort. I think you hold your beliefs deeply and seriously but at they end of the day, that's all they are - beliefs, not knowledge.

Boru

I may have already asked you before in another thread, but what would God have to do to prove to you that he exists? How high is your bar set.

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*indulgent chuckle* They're the same god, mate.

Boru

No, they are not. You don't get to define the characteristics of a supposedly fictional character that you did not create, just as you are not able to decide that Harry Potter is a purple giraffe without people correcting you.

You did ask, and I answered you. Yes, the bar is set pretty high (higher, at least, than the set of increasingly coincidental occurrences you referred to in your video): If people told me that they were going to pray to a particular god to re-grow my left eye and have it fully functional, and it happened, I would believe in that god. I had high hopes for Odin, but that came a cropper as well.

The difference between Allah and Jehovah is not a definitional one, but a semantic one. Bibles printed in Arabic us 'Allah' as a transliteration of 'God'. Both names refer to the God of Abraham (this is why the Big Three are called 'The Abrahamic Religions'). Differences between Allah and YHWH seem to be restricted to differences in worship and interpretation, and the case can be made that they aren't a lot greater than the differences between Catholicism and some of the more sedate Protestant franchises.

Boru

[trmof]

The upper-case one. As for patents, there is no mention in the Bible of any kind of patent law. My god believes in the free exchange of information.

Ah so you finally reveal something about your god concept. Good first step.

So in other words your god let his patents be used to spread misinformation which in turn caused many genocides? I bow to his wisdom.

Again, hard atheism has been responsible for much more serious genocides than religion. If you claim that this was not due to their atheism, I can simply turn around and claim the same about religion.

The fact is, hard atheists have no problem with genocide because they don't even consider the possibility of ever being held accountable.

[Alex K]

The creator God would be distinguished by his ability to, if not outright create, at least mold and shape universes to his liking.

So you mean by hard atheist someone who denies absolutely the existence of a creator God. What is a creator God more precisely?

Indeed. I think this warrants further elaboration for your question to be meaningful.

[Chas]

You are spouting a lot of nonsense, making unevidenced claims.

You are also delusional. So, there's that.

Hundreds of millions of people died under explicitly atheist regimes during the 20th century. If you think there is no evidence for that, I suggest you visit some mass graves some time.

You have provided no evidence for your claims that any of them were 'hard atheists' or that that was what motivated them.

You are not very good at critical thinking.

And you are delusional.

[abaris]

There is also nothing holding you back from murdering everybody in your way if that's what you want to do and you feel you can get away with it. Tell me: Why was Stalin wrong to murder millions upon millions of people? He got away with it didn't he? So what was objectively wrong about it besides you not liking it?

And yes, there have been many atheist groups who used terrorism tactics throughout history.

Why exactly do you need religion for not going into a murder spree? It's wrong to commit murder, I don't need a god for that fundamental insight. Sorry for giving you such a blatant and primitive answer, but I'm just a little bit tired of the repeating argument of religion being superior when it comes to morals.

And care to provide some examples of atheist groups committing terrorism?

And still, elaborate a little bit more on your views that many christians believe in the existence of multiple gods. I'm not letting you of of the hook. Isaiah 45:5: I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God.

How does that compute exactly?