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RE: Ken Ham's ark sinking?
October 29, 2014 at 9:24 am
(October 28, 2014 at 10:27 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Theology is almost exactly NOT looking at the world, or any observable thing in it. That's why theology reaches different conclusions than science. Come one, dude. Between you, me, the Bible, and the T-Rex in my back yard-- something's fishy, isn't it? You'd think that if 4-meter tall dinosaurs were stepping on people's huts and eating their sheep, that eventually they'd make their way into scripture, wouldn't you? "Verily I say unto thee, thy Velociraptor hath no place in the House of the Lord" or maybe: "The Lord, in His anger, sent a plague of pterodactyls to vex Pharoah, but He did harden his heart so that he said, 'Not even flying fucking lizards will cause me to set free the people of Israel.'" You know, something obvious, like that?
Sure they are looking at the same thing. How do you know your theology is bad? If it doesn't conform to observation....it is bad. True science and true theology should not contradict each other. If they do...one of them is wrong...usually it is not hard to tell which one.
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RE: Ken Ham's ark sinking?
October 29, 2014 at 9:27 am
(October 29, 2014 at 9:24 am)Heywood Wrote: Sure they are looking at the same thing. How do you know your theology is bad? If it doesn't conform to observation....it is bad. True science and true theology should not contradict each other. If they do...one of them is wrong...usually it is not hard to tell which one.
How do you know the very object of theological "study" even exists?
In all of the history of mankind, when theology and science differed, which one ultimately was shown to be correct? (Hint: it ain't theology.)
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RE: Ken Ham's ark sinking?
October 29, 2014 at 11:11 am
(This post was last modified: October 29, 2014 at 11:13 am by Thumpalumpacus.)
(October 28, 2014 at 10:09 pm)Heywood Wrote: The creationist scientist should realize that science is looking at the world....and theology is looking at the world. Both are looking at the same thing so there should not be any contradictions between science and theology at all.
(October 29, 2014 at 9:24 am)Heywood Wrote: Sure they are looking at the same thing. How do you know your theology is bad? If it doesn't conform to observation....it is bad. True science and true theology should not contradict each other. If they do...one of them is wrong...usually it is not hard to tell which one.
Given the fact that science is the most powerful reality-finding protocol we have invented, the logical conclusion is that theology should engage in a bit of self-correction.
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RE: Ken Ham's ark sinking?
October 29, 2014 at 11:15 am
(October 28, 2014 at 10:51 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Seems that Ham...in addition to being a creatard fuckhead...is no financial whiz, either.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-11...uni-credit
Quote:Noah’s Ark Depends on Faith in Default-Plagued Debt: Muni Credit
I'm sure Ken Ham isn't the least bit concerned about leaving a bunch of other people twisting in the wind. He's just riding the ride for all it's worth.
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RE: Ken Ham's ark sinking?
October 29, 2014 at 11:22 am
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(October 29, 2014 at 9:24 am)Heywood Wrote: True science and true theology should not contradict each other.
You realize that what you've said is True Science on the one hand, and flippant lies that could never be admitted to have been lies on the other, should not contradict each other, right?
If theology cared about what observations says, there wouldn't ever have been a theology. All theology is about making shit up and then not admitting having made things up, in lieu of living within the confines of what can be known through observation.
(October 29, 2014 at 11:15 am)rasetsu Wrote: (October 28, 2014 at 10:51 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Seems that Ham...in addition to being a creatard fuckhead...is no financial whiz, either.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-11...uni-credit
I'm sure Ken Ham isn't the least bit concerned about leaving a bunch of other people twisting in the wind. He's just riding the ride for all it's worth.
In defence of Ken Ham, he couldn't swindle anyone who doesn't deserve to be swindled.
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RE: Ken Ham's ark sinking?
October 29, 2014 at 11:27 am
(October 28, 2014 at 10:09 pm)Heywood Wrote: Headline could also read "Anti Discrimination Law could cost the state 54 million dollars over the next 10 years!"
The whole point of the incentive is to help them build the tourist attraction....to attract tourist and tax their purchases.
Which is precisely why the whole thing is fucked.
"Let's make money by selling ignorance to the stupid," should never a political model.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: Ken Ham's ark sinking?
October 29, 2014 at 11:45 am
(October 28, 2014 at 10:27 pm)bennyboy Wrote: "Verily I say unto thee, thy Velociraptor hath no place in the House of the Lord" or maybe: "The Lord, in His anger, sent a plague of pterodactyls to vex Pharoah, but He did harden his heart so that he said, 'Not even flying fucking lizards will cause me to set free the people of Israel.'" You know, something obvious, like that? Stop giving more ideas to those creation museum retards, they might actually interpret the locusts as flying lizards which only seemed locust-sized cause they were flying too high.
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RE: Ken Ham's ark sinking?
October 29, 2014 at 11:49 am
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(October 29, 2014 at 11:22 am)Chuck Wrote: (October 29, 2014 at 9:24 am)Heywood Wrote: True science and true theology should not contradict each other.
You realize that what you've said is True Science on the one hand, and flippant lies that could never be admitted to have been lies on the other, should not contradict each other, right?
If theology cared about what observations says, there wouldn't ever have been a theology. All theology is about making shit up and then not admitting having made things up, in lieu of living within the confines of what can be known through observation.
Theology doesn't care anymore than science cares. People care. If science and theology contradict each other people know(or should know) one them is wrong. Why? Because science and theology are looking at the same thing and if both are right they should not be contradicting each other.
That is my point and I am sticking by it.
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RE: Ken Ham's ark sinking?
October 29, 2014 at 11:55 am
(October 29, 2014 at 11:27 am)Faith No More Wrote: (October 28, 2014 at 10:09 pm)Heywood Wrote: Headline could also read "Anti Discrimination Law could cost the state 54 million dollars over the next 10 years!"
The whole point of the incentive is to help them build the tourist attraction....to attract tourist and tax their purchases.
Which is precisely why the whole thing is fucked.
"Let's make money by selling ignorance to the stupid," should never a political model.
Quote:No one in this world, so far as I know—and I have researched the records for years, and employed agents to help me—has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.
H. L. Mencken - 1926
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RE: Ken Ham's ark sinking?
October 29, 2014 at 11:55 am
(October 29, 2014 at 11:27 am)Faith No More Wrote: Which is precisely why the whole thing is fucked.
"Let's make money by selling ignorance to the stupid," should never a political model.
Its not just about selling ignorance to the stupid.
If we got rid of targeted tax breaks....a lot of corporatism would go away with it. The very existence of sales tax breaks like this one lead to cronyism, corporatism, corruption, and bad government.
You want to get corporations out of politics...stop these shannigans....don't limit free speech[/rant]
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