What could a omnipotent God want with the worship of humans?

[ThomM]

What could a omnipotent God possible want with human worship? I mean he's supposed be basically omni-all with or without us, so why spent so much time and energy obssessing over and obtaining human worship. He is so obsessed, that when he has ten rules to give humans the first three are devoted to him. So again I reiterate the title.

Omnipotence is an interesting concept. Averroes the Islamic Philosopher posed the question 'Is it possible for god to deny himself?' again, invoking the question of Omnipotence (albeit a more refined version of the paradox).

The Theological answer appears to be that god can only do anything within his nature, that is to say, he cannot make 1+1=3. A position reiterated more recently by the Pope, when he said, 'god is not a magician'.

I think all of this is the culmination of years of Theological debate and discussion that has come to a head in this significant shift in Theological positioning, god is no longer the almighty.

If we accept this repositioning of Christian Theology, then any paradox inherent in the concept of Omnipotence, is rendered moot.

A neat bit of re-branding of god worthy of the most devious ad-agencies. God is a commodity that must survive come what may, it would seem that god needs us to survive, just as predicted by the Holy Prophet, Terry Pratchett.

MM

Actually - that is still not the case regarding the inherent concept of Omnipotence. While the religion has finally accepted that the god cannot do all things - it still makes claims that cannot be true regarding what the god supposedly CAN do. AND it MUST do that - or why worship a god that cannot actually do supernatural things.

However - "god" is not the commodity - religion is the commodity. As long as people continue to give to a religion - they really do not care what you believe - they are not in it for that. And since they have realized that a "god" must comply with reality - or the "religion" faces extinction - then they have to back off the claims that simply cannot actually work - or actually disagree with reality. They survived their first brush with reality only because it was the middle ages and they could silence the people who were actually telling the truth.

The archdiocese of NYC is not closing 114 parishes because the god is something less than was once claimed - or even because less people believe - it is closing them because it doesn't have the money to keep them open.
Today - the future of religion rests on a generation who has not been educated by religion (Catholic schools are almost extinct) - and through studies - say that they only go along with the religious stuff to prevent family problems - do not actually believe in it - and have no intention of raising their children in it - when they have the say so.

And while religion continues to expand in the third world of South America And Africa - it is steadily going extinct in the areas of Europe and America where the MONEY came from. And the third world cannot pay its way - much less support the infrastructure. 50 Years from now - the non belief will have turned into no monetary support - and churches will have to be turned into some other form of use.

[dyresand]

Omnipotence is an interesting concept. Averroes the Islamic Philosopher posed the question 'Is it possible for god to deny himself?' again, invoking the question of Omnipotence (albeit a more refined version of the paradox).

The Theological answer appears to be that god can only do anything within his nature, that is to say, he cannot make 1+1=3. A position reiterated more recently by the Pope, when he said, 'god is not a magician'.

I think all of this is the culmination of years of Theological debate and discussion that has come to a head in this significant shift in Theological positioning, god is no longer the almighty.

If we accept this repositioning of Christian Theology, then any paradox inherent in the concept of Omnipotence, is rendered moot.

A neat bit of re-branding of god worthy of the most devious ad-agencies. God is a commodity that must survive come what may, it would seem that god needs us to survive, just as predicted by the Holy Prophet, Terry Pratchett.

MM

Actually - that is still not the case regarding the inherent concept of Omnipotence. While the religion has finally accepted that the god cannot do all things - it still makes claims that cannot be true regarding what the god supposedly CAN do. AND it MUST do that - or why worship a god that cannot actually do supernatural things.

However - "god" is not the commodity - religion is the commodity. As long as people continue to give to a religion - they really do not care what you believe - they are not in it for that. And since they have realized that a "god" must comply with reality - or the "religion" faces extinction - then they have to back off the claims that simply cannot actually work - or actually disagree with reality. They survived their first brush with reality only because it was the middle ages and they could silence the people who were actually telling the truth.

The archdiocese of NYC is not closing 114 parishes because the god is something less than was once claimed - or even because less people believe - it is closing them because it doesn't have the money to keep them open.
Today - the future of religion rests on a generation who has not been educated by religion (Catholic schools are almost extinct) - and through studies - say that they only go along with the religious stuff to prevent family problems - do not actually believe in it - and have no intention of raising their children in it - when they have the say so.

And while religion continues to expand in the third world of South America And Africa - it is steadily going extinct in the areas of Europe and America where the MONEY came from. And the third world cannot pay its way - much less support the infrastructure. 50 Years from now - the non belief will have turned into no monetary support - and churches will have to be turned into some other form of use.

The biggest enemy of religion is education. third world countries are going to get fucked over from the transfer of religion.

[Minimalist]

Drippy's god has psychological problems......which sort of figures.

[LostLocke]

He's still working on his achievement...

[KevinM1]

He's still working on his achievement...

Damn Vishnu with his Combo Breaker....

[dyresand]

@OP do you believe in ghosts yes or no?

[Jenny A]

The problems with this analogy are myriad.

1) Children of any species will generally grow up into something resembling their parents. You and I will not grow up to be omnipotent beings.

Humans can create life. Craig Venter's mycoplasma laboratorium is an example of it. Human can create evolutionary systems....you can find numerous examples of simulated evolution on the internet. Human's create realities in which they are pretty much omnipotent. World of Warcraft is one such reality....SecondLife is another. Humans can create intellects....IBM's Watson is an example of a rudimentary intellect.

Now one day, humans will create intellects, put them in a reality of their own design, and watch them interact and evolve. We might even interfere in their world....just to fuck with them. In a very real sense humans are growing up to be gods.

I rather like that, though I don't think it's what Dritch meant. Nor do I think it's what Genesis meant. Man had no such power in the bronze age though people have always been storytellers and artists so you could say we were always god like, always creating.

However, people who behave too much like gods tend to get slapped down in mythology, Biblical or otherwise: Babel, Athena and the Spider, Icarus. Pride goeth before a fall and those who try to go it without god fail. Those who god chooses win. And there's nothing about the Bible that encourages technology. Nor does it really encourage that kind of alternate reality--no graven images and all that.

But, I suppose if you think of humankind through out the ages as a single growing child, it kinda works. Perhaps if we are becoming more like god in the developed world, that's why the developed world is becoming more secular. That's what grown-up children do, they move out of the house and start their own families.

[LivingNumbers6.626]

Because as prophet the omnipotence of a God who you claim to speak to and who claim the worship of humanity ensures to line your own pockets with moneyyyyyyyyyyyyy. Ahem, mormon/catholic church.

[Ravenshire]

Do you demand your children worship you?

As per my response to Jen-A yes!!! and so does everyone else!

Please, do not ever think you can speak for me. If you truly demand worship from your children then you are a sad, sick fuck and should never have had them.

[dyresand]

As per my response to Jen-A yes!!! and so does everyone else!

Please, do not ever think you can speak for me. If you truly demand worship from your children then you are a sad, sick fuck and should never have had them.

The hell kind of person would want their kids to worship them....