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RE: Worst Arguments For Christianity
January 22, 2015 at 1:34 pm
(January 22, 2015 at 10:46 am)Xeno Wrote: "Jesus died for your sins, show some gratitude"
This one bugs the shit out of me. I don't know Jesus. Even if I did, I wouldn't want him to die on my behalf. Furthermore, what could ever justify someone else getting murdered (whether he volunteered for it or not) on my behalf? Especially when my only 'sin' at that point is me existing thousands of years later? Which is something god controls anyway?
It's not just bullshit, it's insulting. "My awesome super best invisible friend died because of you. You owe him." Fuck you, no he didn't, and no I don't.
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RE: Worst Arguments For Christianity
January 22, 2015 at 1:47 pm
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Also, he may have never existed. But that's a minor detail.
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RE: Worst Arguments For Christianity
January 22, 2015 at 2:02 pm
(January 21, 2015 at 2:01 am)robvalue Wrote: Pascal's wager is one of the stupidest. Betting your eternal soul in a game of roulette and assuming whatever God exists is so stupid as to take this faked belief to be sincere.
I'm not sure if this counts as an argument, but there was this guy (forgot his name) who said his faith was so strong that even if he was taken back in time and saw that nothing in the bible actually happened, he would still believe in Christianity. Pascal's wager may actually be one of my favorites. For one, it doesn't pretend to appeal to science or logical argument as the others fallaciously do while feigning competency, but is instead built on a sort of proto-existential premise that life is extremely absurd and terrifying and thus faith, though also absurd, can remove some of the suffering we endure by giving us even but a fraction of hope that something or some being may hear our petition and make all right in the end. It doesn't work as an argument for Christianity specifically but as a statement that reality for each person largely rests on their opinion of it, and that faith is something of an escape from fate, it shares a soft spot in me.
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RE: Worst Arguments For Christianity
January 22, 2015 at 2:04 pm
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(January 22, 2015 at 10:46 am)Xeno Wrote: "Jesus died for your sins, show some gratitude"
I suppose that the proper response is to punch the person as hard as possible and then make a quick prayer. Because that makes it Jesus' problem now.
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RE: Worst Arguments For Christianity
January 22, 2015 at 3:07 pm
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.
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RE: Worst Arguments For Christianity
January 22, 2015 at 3:09 pm
If there's no God then what's the point of life?
Never understood that one.
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RE:Not really an argument
January 22, 2015 at 4:00 pm
On a related note:
"If atheism is true then you have no reason not to kill yourself!" What? Involuntary biological drive not to die isn't good enough? What the fuck is? An old man in a dress, in the sky commanding you not to do it or he'll hurt you forever?
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RE: Worst Arguments For Christianity
January 22, 2015 at 4:03 pm
(This post was last modified: January 22, 2015 at 4:07 pm by robvalue.)
Yeah, that really is ultra retarded. 36 hit super art finisher retarded. If you think this is the only life you have, then you have more reason not to kill yourself. For us this is all we get, it's not some puppet show for a magic man to jerk off to before he throws you into one of his hatches.
The only reason I can think that xians try so hard not to die is that they know where they're going so they're putting it off as long as possible... and I don't necessarily mean hell either 
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RE: Worst Arguments For Christianity
January 22, 2015 at 4:44 pm
I think *free will* card is the worst.
It's like the last ditch effort, just shout out Free Will!
They never answer when you ask whose free will?
The rapist?
The poor child being raped?
Or gods for just watching?
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RE: Worst Arguments For Christianity
January 22, 2015 at 10:17 pm
(January 22, 2015 at 4:44 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: I think *free will* card is the worst.
It's like the last ditch effort, just shout out Free Will!
They never answer when you ask whose free will?
The rapist?
The poor child being raped?
Or gods for just watching?
"Free will" is a illusion but we aren't on any set track either.
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