The crucifixion of jesus and why it doesn't matter

[Norman Humann]

Did I hallucinate the part of the bible when jesus got mad at merchants in the temple? Because I was told wrath was one of the seven deadly sins.

[robvalue]

You know, you just made me realize something!

People say jesus never sinned. For this statement to mean anything at all, it means that there was a possibility that jesus could sin. And what is sin? It's doing something on the list of things God says are sins. Right?

But here's the thing. If jesus can sin, and jesus is God, then God can sin too. And since he openly does virtually everything he has ever said is a sin, that means he is the most vile sinner of all time. And he should therefor hold himself accountable and destroy himself utterly. He can do that, since he can do anything.

And he probably did do that, once he figured this out. He's omnipotent right? So he would have worked it out faster than me, and a long time ago. Like, shortly after jesus was around. This paradox would have led him to do the only honourable thing. And terminated himself.

Which explains why there has been no interactions between him and us for nearly 2000 years! I'm ready for my medal, I think I've cracked it and we can finally lay down the fight between theists and atheists. God is dead.

So... Truce now?

[YGninja]

It might have been simpler, but may not have achieved the ends God intended. Suffering himself, as man, knowing mans suffering, knowing mans tribulations, makes him a person who we can accept to judge us. Being forgiven teaches us to forgive. To be sinless and yet die a sinners death for those you love, teaches us of Gods nature, and inspires us.

I don't see how the most advanced and brilliant intellect in the universe would need to experience being human to understand humanity, especially considering that every facet of the human mind and psyche were created by that very being. Nor would he have to come to some sort of understanding in order to set rules and a system of penalty and reward.

Unless there was the risk that he would commit a sin and thus be truly human, his life as a man was a mockery of humanity. To believe the Bible, in all of human history the only human to remain free of sin was god, when he was masquerading as a human. If he did it to understand the human experience, then he apparently did it wrong. What he did experience was barbarity, scheming, and brutal violence, yet the experience did not affect him in the way that one might have assumed. One would have hoped that, having gone through such grueling physical torment, god would have made sure no one ever had to go through that again.

Instead... he invents hell.

You need to read again what i said, i was very specific in my wording: "makes him a person who we can accept to judge us.", not "allows him to experience human life so that he is able to judge us".

[h4ym4n]

That guy make some great videos.

[Tonus]

You need to read again what i said, i was very specific in my wording: "makes him a person who we can accept to judge us.", not "allows him to experience human life so that he is able to judge us".

You also said "Suffering himself, as man, knowing mans suffering, knowing mans tribulations" which is different from simple commiseration. But okay, the point is that it makes him a person who we can accept to judge us, except that the god of the Bible doesn't generally give a damn whether or not we accept him as a judge. He did not manifest as a human before wiping out nearly the entire planet with a flood. He did not manifest as a human before humiliating the Egyptians and then drowning their army by dropping a sea on top of them. He did not manifest as a human before delivering a severe ego-whipping to Job for the crime of expecting an explanation for his ill-treatment.

The easiest way to convince humanity that he was a worthy judge would be through his judgments. If he felt that these were so lacking that he had to pretend to be a man for a short period of time, then he should have just stepped up his game. Putting on a human costume and getting tortured to death might elicit sympathy, but not necessarily acceptance.

[dyresand]

You need to read again what i said, i was very specific in my wording: "makes him a person who we can accept to judge us.", not "allows him to experience human life so that he is able to judge us".

I'm sorry but god is not any judge i would want. God is amoral and the fact is you can get away with anything and i mean anything as long as you give your life to jesus and you go to heaven. Why trust a god who is a shitty babysitter like in the bible. Not to mention he was the one who supposedly cursed everyone with original sin because after he created Eve as a after thought and in the bible Adam probably wanted another person to hang out with not a guy so the snake talks to her you see where this is going and everyone is fucked from there. Why would god get upset if people eat a apple better yet move the tree and get rid of the snake. Because not only does this simple story hurt god in a way that i so obvious it only proves even more he isn't omni anything. Yet you want him as a judge is beyond me because a murderer can find jesus and he can go to heaven. By that system of justice everyone wins no one gets their due punishment.

[zebo-the-fat]

I never understood the idea of jesus making a sacrifice on the cross, what sacrifice? he got better after 3 days and then went home!

[Chad32]

He took the "burden of sin", whatever that means. It's not physical anguish, because his torture is over. He lived longer than many people did back then and still do, had a shitty week, then he went back to heaven. It's not mental anguish, because he's supposedly ruling the cosmos. Perhaps it's spiritual, but spirituality isn't something you can measure. It's not relatable. It means nothing.

[Ryantology]

Well, its quite simple really. The punishment for sin is death, you should, by rights, die. But God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son so that he who may believe shall have eternal life. You will be held accountable for your sins, “If you love me, you will keep my commandments".

It's quite simple, really: this is barbaric and idiotic. And there isn't a Christian alive that bothers even attempting to keep the vast majority of god's commandments. That includes you.

Since the system is set up so that sinning is impossible to avoid, the sentence is illegitimate and the crucifiction is a farce meant to make selfish simpletons accept the patent stupidity of the whole premise.

[RobbyPants]

Suicide is a forgivable sin just like any other sin i looked it up. It really doesn't matter at all you can just put that sin on jesus and keep moving on.

OK, but how do you get to confession once you're dead?

Slow (enough) working, incurable poison.