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RE: Slavery and eating animals
February 3, 2015 at 2:51 am
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(February 3, 2015 at 2:41 am)Grasshopper Wrote: Yeah sure. The way people are making excuses for their eating meat like health and evolution and food chain, the same way the slave owners in 18th century colonies must've made excuses to justify their keeping slaves.
Blaming either on theology is ridiculous though Theology gets blamed because it is always a bad argument, regardless if it is on the right or wrong side of the issue, and far too many people think just the opposite: not only is it a good argument, but the best and final word (which, in terms of Judeo-Christian theology on the topic of slavery, is entirely accommodating).
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RE: Slavery and eating animals
February 3, 2015 at 3:00 am
What's the argument again? Jesus <3 Sausage?
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RE: Slavery and eating animals
February 3, 2015 at 3:02 am
Two sausages don't make a right, but three do.
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RE: Slavery and eating animals
February 3, 2015 at 3:47 am
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(February 3, 2015 at 2:41 am)Grasshopper Wrote: Yeah sure. The way people are making excuses for their eating meat like health and evolution and food chain, the same way the slave owners in 18th century colonies must've made excuses to justify their keeping slaves.
WHICH will continue until awareness is raised Don't think they kept slaves as food, or killed and ate them. I still don;t see why an excuse is required, or what that even means in the context of meat eating. Last I checked, the common objections have to do with particular methods of livestock production - not livestock consumption.
Unless I'm missing something.
-Same to you Alex, why is an argument required for -eating- meat?
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RE: Slavery and eating animals
February 3, 2015 at 3:49 am
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(February 3, 2015 at 3:47 am)Rhythm Wrote: -Same to you Alex, why is an argument required for -eating- meat?
I don't understand. You mean, after all, someone else keeps the animals and kills them, the eating part has nothing to do with that?
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RE: Slavery and eating animals
February 3, 2015 at 3:53 am
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I just want to know precisely what it is that an argument is required -for-. I have very little time before I have to go to the chocolate factory..lol. Seems, as mentioned, that it's livestock production, not livestock consumption...that's the issue, or a possible issue...by reference to what, if I may ask?
(I keep animals and kill them, btw, and I sometimes kill animals I don't keep and eat them - but I do buy quite a bit from others, sure, lots of mouths to feed....so try to remember that you're not having a conversation with a careless or unconnected diner)
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RE: Slavery and eating animals
February 3, 2015 at 4:04 am
(February 3, 2015 at 3:53 am)Rhythm Wrote: I just want to know precisely what it is that an argument is required -for-. I have very little time before I have to go to the chocolate factory..lol. Seems, as mentioned, that it's livestock production, not livestock consumption...that's the issue, or a possible issue...by reference to what, if I may ask?
(I keep animals and kill them, btw, and I sometimes kill animals I don't keep and eat them - but I do buy quite a bit from others, sure, lots of mouths to feed....so try to remember that you're not having a conversation with a careless or unconnected diner)
Saying "an argument is required for" is maybe misleading, as if it weren't clear what the purpose of eating meat is. It's about the moral appraisal of an action. When you choose to eat meat, usually an animal has been killed for the purpose, and you can decide whether you think this is a good idea or not. I don't see how this is mysterious.
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RE: Slavery and eating animals
February 3, 2015 at 4:11 am
(February 3, 2015 at 3:53 am)Rhythm Wrote: I have very little time before I have to go to the chocolate factory..lol. Word?
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RE: Slavery and eating animals
February 3, 2015 at 4:16 am
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Yeah, I've been picking up actual hours at an actual job in the off season this year, like I said, lots of mouths to feed. Little fuckers just get bigger the more I feed them too.
@ Alex, sure-I don't see the moral issue with either killing or eating animals, that's all. Doesn't seem like the kind of thing that is immoral, or morally exemplary. Amoral, to me, I suppose.
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RE: Slavery and eating animals
February 3, 2015 at 4:18 am
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(February 3, 2015 at 4:16 am)Rhythm Wrote: @Alex, sure-I don't see the moral issue with either killing or eating animals, that's all.
Then everything is clear. The issue is certainly in the implied killing (and keeping) of animals, not with the eating itself (that would be silly), and if you don't have a problem with the keeping or killing part, you shouldn't have a problem with the eating part either.
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