Christians, Prove Your God Is Good

[Drich]

I think genocide is acceptable against all the people who think genocide is acceptable :p

Isn't that what I said?

[dyresand]

I think genocide is acceptable against all the people who think genocide is acceptable :p

Isn't that what I said?

And it still doesn't make god any good or any better.

[veoli]

I do not need to bray, you've shown you do not understand show breeding and it's opposite of your evolution theory. However the dogs your parents breed are still dogs and until they become something other than dogs you you haven't observed evolution.

GC

actually, artificial selection is a valid and accepted form of evolution

[watchamadoodle]

I think genocide is acceptable against all the people who think genocide is acceptable :p

Isn't that what I said?

@Drich, that was a good point you made earlier when you highlighted the similarity between genocide and the bombing of industrial centers in WWII (especially Japan). Here is a quote:

Precise figures are not available, but the firebombing campaign against Japan, directed by LeMay between March 1945 and the Japanese surrender in August 1945, may have killed more than 500,000 Japanese civilians and left five million homeless. Official estimates from the United States Strategic Bombing Survey put the figures at 220,000 people killed. Some 40% of the built-up areas of 66 cities were destroyed, including much of Japan's war industry.
...
LeMay was aware of the implication of his orders. The New York Times reported at the time, "Maj. Gen. Curtis E. LeMay, commander of the B-29s of the entire Marianas area, declared that if the war is shortened by a single day, the attack will have served its purpose." The argument was that it was his duty to carry out the attacks in order to end the war as quickly as possible, sparing further loss of life. He also remarked that had the U.S. lost the war, he fully expected to be tried for war crimes.

(my bold)

Of course there is still a big difference. Usually the victims of genocide are helpless militarily.

[The Reality Salesman01]

GC, do look up the difference between Micro evolution and Micro evolution. Do you know how vaccines work? You can't seriously be this intellectually sealed away. Surely there's something youd be willing to learn about besides Mythological Apologetics...

Micro and MAcro! Damn auto correct has been driving me crazy lately!!!

[The Valkyrie]

- God is good because the bible says so
- Who are you to question god?
- I don't have to prove anything to you, heathen.
- You have to look at the whole story to get an insight into god's good character. Start with <insert bible passage here>
- If you truly wanted to understand god you'd open your heart to him.


Choose any one of the claims above and then repeat frequently until your brain is numb.

[Drich]

Isn't that what I said?

And it still doesn't make god any good or any better.

So... In your mind it is ok for humans to practice genocide as per the US with its enemies, but not with God in a comparable situation?

[Thumpalumpacus]

Speak for yourself. If the only thing keeping you from slipping into depravity is your faith in God, by all means, please keep believing. The world doesn't need any more genocidal maniacs.

Oddly enough, even though I'm a moral relativist, I haven't gotten around to killing one single person ... unlike so many theists who assert moral absolutism.


The god you worship is evil by any yardstick. He orders genocide, and indeed commits it himself. He practices collective punishment. He holds his own creation hostage to his whim, threatening us with eternal punishment if we practice the free will you allege he gave us. Those are the actions of a sociopath.

And you worship him.

So is it your belief that your life as a moral whateverist, would be possible if not for all the genocide and this/your country was built on?

I'm not a "moral whateverist".

As for the possibilities of my life, you're courting Hume's is/ought fallacy. I recommend that you look it up before you make a fool of yourself, again, in front of a crowd whose opinion you obviously covet.

Education, Grasshopper: it's cheaper to get than it is to feign.

[The Reality Salesman01]

And it still doesn't make god any good or any better.

So... In your mind it is ok for humans to practice genocide as per the US with its enemies, but not with God in a comparable situation?

[Drich]

Isn't that what I said?

@Drich, that was a good point you made earlier when you highlighted the similarity between genocide and the bombing of industrial centers in WWII (especially Japan). Here is a quote:

Precise figures are not available, but the firebombing campaign against Japan, directed by LeMay between March 1945 and the Japanese surrender in August 1945, may have killed more than 500,000 Japanese civilians and left five million homeless. Official estimates from the United States Strategic Bombing Survey put the figures at 220,000 people killed. Some 40% of the built-up areas of 66 cities were destroyed, including much of Japan's war industry.
...
LeMay was aware of the implication of his orders. The New York Times reported at the time, "Maj. Gen. Curtis E. LeMay, commander of the B-29s of the entire Marianas area, declared that if the war is shortened by a single day, the attack will have served its purpose." The argument was that it was his duty to carry out the attacks in order to end the war as quickly as possible, sparing further loss of life. He also remarked that had the U.S. lost the war, he fully expected to be tried for war crimes.

(my bold)

Of course there is still a big difference. Usually the victims of genocide are helpless militarily.

(Just general rant)
What you posted was the numbers from just one bombing campaign against Tokyo, and 4 other cities. Commercial and residential structures were targeted, in my link below it says just in one night 100,000 japanese were burned alive in their homes. The thought was to 'burn the heart of the Japanese will out of the people.' To break them to demoralize them. To change the way they think. U.timatly that is why we subsequently dropped two a-bombs as well. We kill the vast majority of anyone who held on to pre war japanese ideals of supremacy/pacific domination. Not just grown uniformed men, but every man woman and child who thought this way. In essence genocide of all who held on to traditional emperialistic values. Those who were left were so few in number their ideals died on the vine. We did the same with the native Americans/Inuit , and Pacific Islanders that we colonized.

The problem with most of you, is that you all do not know the world around you well enough to identify the cornerstones of our soceity unless they are pre packaged for you. Like it or not all the 'immoral' stuff you want to hate God for, are the very same bread and butter items that make a sissified douche bag soceity (sdbs) possible.

Because without things like modern day slavery, regulated genocide, you would not have a sdbs to soap box your feelings on. Because generally speaking Emperors, socialist dictators, nor radicalized religious leaders allow sdbs nor freedom for citizens to become sissified douche bags to begin with.
http://www.wired.com/2011/03/0309incendi...000-tokyo/

At some point (hopefully before the terrorist take our Paris, or London or NYC with a dirty bomb or full on nuke) we get some leaders who are not afraid to tell those in our sdbs that not all of humanity is worth saving. That some members of humanity HATE all the rest of humanity with such passion they will expend everything in their power to kill ALL who do not think as they do. And they will make the desisions like the one general le, may and Hoover did.

We will at some point will either come to this understanding through generations upon generations of war with these people, or it will come at the expense of our largest cities. But either way at some point the members of what is now sdbs, will see the merits of what was done in the link I posted above. (Controled genocide.) why? Because this is the goal of our enemy. An enemy who has been at war with all things not to their liking for hundreds upon hundreds of years, with no desire to stop.

They are Klingons minus the honor, and respect for tradition. Theirs is a soceity of war and terror. Meaning this is what they live for, much like pre war Japan. (Which were who the Klingons were really modeled after.) the only way to stop 'klingons' is to get OT on their asses (like God commanded the jews to do) and "burn their hearts for war out of the people."