Sins

[Drich]

Again a 'homosexual man' who does not have a sexual attraction toward members of the same sex is A-sexual. There is nothing wrong with being an a-Sexual according to Christ.
(He refered to them as eunics)

So what does that actually mean? Does that mean, you are sexually attracted to men as well as women? Nothing wrong with that. Otherwise it's just stating the obvious.

And I couldn't be less interested in your theological acrobatics. I'm asking Drich, why he considers homosexuality a choice if Drich isn't attracted to men also.

wait your turn. you are trying to apply an answer given to someone else on a completely different topic and apply it to your own questions. I answer posts in order I do not try and jump around.

[robvalue]

"Homosexuality is a sin"

Translation:

"They are different from me and it scares me"

[Cyberman]

wait your turn. you are trying to apply an answer given to someone else on a completely different topic and apply it to your own questions. I answer posts in order I do not try and jump around.

Such is your right, but you don't get to dictate how others may respond to you. Stop it. You're getting over-excited and you'll wake up cranky from your nap.

[Drich]

In the first post you say that through christ the future exposure to sin is prevented. In the second you say after finding christ christians continue to sin. Do you not see the contradiction? Are you really that dense?

If you go back and read beyond the part you emboldened. You will note that I said "The attonement of Christ inoculates one from furture sin." this means the grace extended by Christ on the cross was a one time deal. no other 'inoculations' needed. This does not mean one will not be 'bitten by the zombie/sin' ever again. It does however mean if one is bitten he will not "turn."

There are more contradictory statements within your posts. Bolding mine.

I think the biggest misunderstanding with sin as it relates to Christianity I see repeated over and over in this thread is that you all seem to be arguing from the position the idea of sin somehow binds the Christian or more over that a Christian must be sin free, and that sin or the identification of it in one's life must mean that one has to change what he is doing to live a sin free existance..

Here you are saying that christians do not have to be sin free...

Indeed.

Sin is like a Zombie virus.

If your infected even alittle then you can not mix with the rest of the population.

You can't say well I am infected with the Zombie virus, but I give to unicef generously. or I am indeed infected but I'm basically a 'good person.'

Eternity with God is of a pure/set apart nature (Which is what the word holy actually means) that will not allow for anyone one inffected with the Zombie virus of sin into 'healthy soceity'/Heaven

...and here you are again, saying that they do.

Again two ways into heaven sport. One never be bitten by sin/Zombie.
Two take the zombie/sin cure offered by Christ on the cross.

Do you understand now?

If you can live an absolutly perfect life one does not need Christ, and therefore does not need to be 'Christian.' However we all have sinned therefore we need the 'cure' offered by Christ on the cross. And when we have it we no longer have to worry about being bitten by the Zombie/sin ever again because we have been inoculated from the effects of the sin virus.

I wonder what the mental gymnastics will be like this time.

It's called putting my work back into it orginal context...

[h4ym4n]

Dritch, is owning another person (aka slavery) a sin?




Trying to establish a baseline

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We are all slaves to something or someone, so no.

Speak for yourself.

It is how one treats another that sin can be found.

Interesting, how about burning a person alive? Is that a sin? You know, witches and warlock? You believe witches exist, don't you?



Baseline thing...

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[Drich]

Going to Hell is a 'choice' as well, yet like being gay holds no appeal to me.

So dodging and hiding behind woo again.

Smashing my head against the wall, though possible, isn't a choice. It's a possibility. A choice is between two or more equally appealing options. And turning gay - at least for a straight man or woman - isn't even a possibility. No hard feelings in the lower regions, if you get my drift.

You seemed to be confused between a desirable choice and an undesireable choice. Not all the choices you will be faced with in life will have the prepackaged outcome you find desirable. matter of fact that vast majority of choices i have to make day to day are not desirable. that is what being a man is. (straight or Gay) Making tough and undesirable choice and living with the consenquences whether you like them or not. Make the right choice enough times and you might be endanger of developing integrity. however if you run from tough choices and always do what is easy or 'natural.' You will live a life that will never be mistaken for one with intergrity in it. (Again this applies to the straight man or the gay man.)

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Being attracted to someone sexually means think of that person with you in a sexual manner.. which again qualifies as what you have identified as 'thought crime.'

Which is why I brought A-sexuality into this conversation. If one is not attracted to the oppsite sex, and again is not thinking of the same sex in a sexual way, they are a-sexual and not in any type of sin concerning sex.

However if one is attracted to the same sex in a sexual manner (by thought or deed) they can be identified as being homosexual or gay, and subsequently guilty of a sexual sin. either by thought or deed.

So to say a gay man is guilty of sexual sin just like a heterosexual man outside the confines of a santified marriage. refers to both men's thoughts or deeds concerning sex out side of a santified marriage. Which again is the only biblical pretext in which sex is not considered a sin.

A simple 'yes' would've sufficed.

So even certain thoughts are sinful. What a wonderfully totallitarian world you want to live in Drich. But leave us out of it.

Again FF look at the whole law not just the rule of law. The whole law allows for freedom from the rule of law as a meant to righteousness via attonement.

Meaning we no longer need to strictly follow the law to be found righteous before God through Christ's attonement.

You and you need to be found 'moral' in the sight of your peers live in more of a totallitarian soceity than I do.

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"Homosexuality is a sin"

Translation:

"They are different from me and it scares me"

i have gay family members and have absolutly no issue with them in any form or fashion. even if I refuse to get in the hot tub with them..

[FatAndFaithless]

A simple 'yes' would've sufficed.

So even certain thoughts are sinful. What a wonderfully totallitarian world you want to live in Drich. But leave us out of it.

Again FF look at the whole law not just the rule of law. The whole law allows for freedom from the rule of law as a meant to righteousness via attonement.

Meaning we no longer need to strictly follow the law to be found righteous before God through Christ's attonement.

You and you need to be found 'moral' in the sight of your peers live in more of a totallitarian soceity than I do.

I don't care about being found righteous through Christ's attonement, I just want a simple answer to the question.

Are certain thoughts sinful?

[Drich]

wait your turn. you are trying to apply an answer given to someone else on a completely different topic and apply it to your own questions. I answer posts in order I do not try and jump around.

Such is your right, but you don't get to dictate how others may respond to you. Stop it. You're getting over-excited and you'll wake up cranky from your nap.

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Again FF look at the whole law not just the rule of law. The whole law allows for freedom from the rule of law as a meant to righteousness via attonement.

Meaning we no longer need to strictly follow the law to be found righteous before God through Christ's attonement.

You and you need to be found 'moral' in the sight of your peers live in more of a totallitarian soceity than I do.

I don't care about being found righteous through Christ's attonement, I just want a simple answer to the question.

Are certain thoughts sinful?

If you asking this question again, it means you do not understand the answer given.

What apart of attonement do you not understand?

The law provides us with an understand we have to seek attonement. once we have attonement we are then free/dead to the law. meaning the law has no hold on us, we are not defined or identifed as righteous or sinful by the law anymore. therefore to ask about a given sin is to not understand attonement.

[Norman Humann]

If you go back and read beyond the part you emboldened. You will note that I said "The attonement of Christ inoculates one from furture sin." this means the grace extended by Christ on the cross was a one time deal. no other 'inoculations' needed. This does not mean one will not be 'bitten by the zombie/sin' ever again. It does however mean if one is bitten he will not "turn."

That's the part that I bolded previously, which you also contradicted.

Again two ways into heaven sport. One never be bitten by sin/Zombie.
Two take the zombie/sin cure offered by Christ on the cross.

Do you understand now?

You've just said that they will sin again, thus invalidating their heaven pass. But in fact, when I look back on your post, I see that you seem to take the position of "I'm free to do whatever I want because Jesus"... very commendable morality on your part. But since you advocate slavery and think cancer is a gift, I shouldn't be surprised.

It's called putting my work back into it orginal context...

As for the issue of homosexuality, I'll put your factual incorrectness aside for a minute. Tell me, since you take the stance -- in accordance with the teachings of Jesus -- that thought is equal to action, why don't we see inmates with life sentences for thinking about murder?

[FatAndFaithless]

For Christ's sake Drich, I'm not asking about attonement.

You just ran through multiple posts talking about how sex outside of marriage is sinful, therefore all gay sex is sinful because there's not sanctified gay marriage, and even being attracted to someone (involving sexual thoughts) is sinful because being sinful "in your heart" is the same as being sinful "in deed".

So, certain thoughts are sinful. Yes?