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(September 7, 2010 at 11:43 pm)annatar Wrote: what do you think muslim extermist's reaction to that?
-hmm lets send couple of our suicide bombers to persuade them that they are wrong. oh... wait!!...
They have received many different threats and if I'm not mistaken death threats.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
Quote:Yet when christians are killed in Muslim countries and Bibles burnt in those same places no one raises a single voice, does the world really hate us that much.
Yes, you see we have a constitution that grants every idiot religious freedom and those countries do not. We are supposed to be better than them.
But far too many xtians think that religious freedom only applies to them.
I think this a action of religious extremes against another religious extremes that couldn't have come at a worst time
I've read and written about this.These folks make me ashamed to reside in the same country as them. "Crazy," "dangerous," "delusional" and "bat shit crazy." That about covers it.
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We have lingered in the chambers of the sea | By sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown | Till human voices wake us, and we drown. — T.S. Eliot
"... man always has to decide for himself in the darkness, that he must want beyond what he knows. ..." — Simone de Beauvoir
"As if that blind rage had washed me clean, rid me of hope; for the first time, in that night alive with signs and stars, I opened myself to the gentle indifference of the world. Finding it so much like myself—so like a brother, really—I felt that I had been happy and that I was happy again." — Albert Camus, "The Stranger"
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Quote:Yet when christians are killed in Muslim countries and Bibles burnt in those same places no one raises a single voice, does the world really hate us that much.
Yes, you see we have a constitution that grants every idiot religious freedom and those countries do not. We are supposed to be better than them.
But far too many xtians think that religious freedom only applies to them.
Get it, now?
No we do not believe that religious freedom is just for us, Min your plain nuts. No one is better than anyone else,we've all fallen short of the will of God. I do believe I stated we have the constitutional right to religious freedom in my post, Min now your cherry picking through post have you no shame.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
Quote:In a speech last week, Sarah Palin promoted belief in God as a form of patriotism, dismissed notions that "America isn't a Christian nation," and denounced a federal judge's ruling that it's unconstitutional for government to declare a National Day of Prayer.
Quote:Drake: I think it's appropriate to pray for the will of God. I'm not saying anything, what I'm doing is repeating what God is saying, if that puts me on somebodies list then I'll just have to be on their list.
Colmes: You would like for the president of the United States to die?
Drake: If he does not turn to God and does not turn his life around I am asking God to enforce in imprecatory prayers throughout the scripture that would cause him death, that's correct.
Quote: About a third of the respondents to a survey sent to Christian activists maintained that the American Civil Liberties Union was the most dangerous group in America. The second most dangerous were gay rights groups. And 5% of the respondents said militias were the most dangerous.
Traditional American values scored very low among the conservative Christian activists surveyed. About 80% declared that members of the above "dangerous groups" should not be allowed to: make a public speech, run for public office, demonstrate in public, or operate legally. Only 44% said these "dangerous ones" should not be allowed to teach in public schools.
In cooperation with the Institute for First Amendment Studies, the Bliss Institute, of the University of Ohio, conducted a 1997 survey of conservative Christian activists. Of the 1200 contacted, about 600 responded to the comprehensive survey. The results represent a cross-section of between 200,000 and 400,000 Americans.
The respondents were almost all white (97%) and a majority were male (62%). Seventy percent had college degrees (of which 47% claimed post-grad degrees). Income level was moderate, with 65% earning $50,000 or more a year. Fifteen percent earned more than $150,000 a year.
Almost 100% surveyed identified themselves as one form or another of conservative Christian, with 71% stating specifically, evangelical Protestant. Eighty-six percent believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible, saying that Satan is a real being, and Jesus is the only way to salvation.
Sixty percent believe the world will end in Armageddon, and 56% believe that Christians are obligated to try to convert Jews.
This survey was from 1997....I imagine things are much worse now.
(September 8, 2010 at 10:58 pm)Minimalist Wrote: You are always so out of touch, G-C. YOu really need to get out more and find out what your fellow xtians are up to.
Quote:In a speech last week, Sarah Palin promoted belief in God as a form of patriotism, dismissed notions that "America isn't a Christian nation," and denounced a federal judge's ruling that it's unconstitutional for government to declare a National Day of Prayer.
Quote:Drake: I think it's appropriate to pray for the will of God. I'm not saying anything, what I'm doing is repeating what God is saying, if that puts me on somebodies list then I'll just have to be on their list.
Colmes: You would like for the president of the United States to die?
Drake: If he does not turn to God and does not turn his life around I am asking God to enforce in imprecatory prayers throughout the scripture that would cause him death, that's correct.
Quote: About a third of the respondents to a survey sent to Christian activists maintained that the American Civil Liberties Union was the most dangerous group in America. The second most dangerous were gay rights groups. And 5% of the respondents said militias were the most dangerous.
Traditional American values scored very low among the conservative Christian activists surveyed. About 80% declared that members of the above "dangerous groups" should not be allowed to: make a public speech, run for public office, demonstrate in public, or operate legally. Only 44% said these "dangerous ones" should not be allowed to teach in public schools.
In cooperation with the Institute for First Amendment Studies, the Bliss Institute, of the University of Ohio, conducted a 1997 survey of conservative Christian activists. Of the 1200 contacted, about 600 responded to the comprehensive survey. The results represent a cross-section of between 200,000 and 400,000 Americans.
The respondents were almost all white (97%) and a majority were male (62%). Seventy percent had college degrees (of which 47% claimed post-grad degrees). Income level was moderate, with 65% earning $50,000 or more a year. Fifteen percent earned more than $150,000 a year.
Almost 100% surveyed identified themselves as one form or another of conservative Christian, with 71% stating specifically, evangelical Protestant. Eighty-six percent believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible, saying that Satan is a real being, and Jesus is the only way to salvation.
Sixty percent believe the world will end in Armageddon, and 56% believe that Christians are obligated to try to convert Jews.
This survey was from 1997....I imagine things are much worse now.
I don't know atheism has been on the rise, so it might be a majority that's afraid it's getting smaller
You know, this book burning has been mentioned for weeks and only now is getting attention with 9/11 around the corner. *sigh*
I find burning books of any kind to be deeply offensive to humanity in general, however as a supporter of freedom I defend their right to do it. I also don't hold anything so sacred that I would react with violence. There is a decent argument to made that burning these books will be dangerous to our troops due to retaliation. So my stance on the issue is a little torn between standing firm in supporting their right to do this idiotic act, and concern for the retaliation this act may bring. :/
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." Benjamin Franklin
I feel exactly the same way, Ely. It's frustrating when the freedoms we enjoy (and defend) are used to justify acts of pure stupidity. We are so concerned with allowing the freedom of expression that we are afraid to step in when these actions express nothing but hatred and bigotry... and (in this case) actually present a clear and present danger to the men and women tasked (and credited) with protecting that freedom.
I think it is important that the rest of the country (even the government) vocally condemn this action, even while allowing it to happen. That would be a far cry better than the so-called 'moderate Muslims' have done, so far as decrying the terrorist actions of their fellow Muslims.