The ONLY excuse good enough for God?

[Cyberman]

Isn't this skirting close to the 'no preaching' rule?

We don't have a "no preaching" rule, fortunately for Ron and unfortunately for us when he gets something up his butt.

If we still had one, this wouldn't be skirting close to it so much as rolling in it.

[Pyrrho]

It is worse than merely anticlimactic.  The verse he quotes does not support his claim at all.  His post is just word salad, as remarked in the first response:

Do you want some fries with that word salad?

[Jenny A]

Jesus was the blood sacrifice!!! Simply fucking stupid.

No what is stupid is your total lack of comprehension.

You're right I have no comprehension whatsoever why a blood sacrifice of Jesus or anyone else would ever be useful, let alone necessary.   It is incomprehensible.

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Eskimo: 'If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?'

Priest: 'No, not if you did not know.'

Eskimo: 'Then why did you tell me?'

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/author...llard.html

Took me a minute to remember where I'd read this one.  Wouldn't surprise me to learn someone has said it too.  Mary McCarthy, in Memories of a Catholic Girlhood, tells of worrying about her kind protestant grandfather spending too much time with the nuns, because if he learned truth of Catholicism, and did not convert he'd be bound for hell, not just purgatory.  Is it any wonder she eventually became an atheist?

[Iroscato]

Isn't this skirting close to the 'no preaching' rule?

We don't have a "no preaching" rule, fortunately for Ron and unfortunately for us when he gets something up his butt.

Ah, been a while since I read the rules, thanks. Ah well, at least we get a new chewtoy out of the deal

[robvalue]

I'm pretty sure I had it right. Endorsement.

If God tells you to do something that would normally be a sin, then it's not a sin. You can kill as many people as you want. Set stuff on fire and take the women as sex slaves.

What is not so clear is how you differentiate between someone who's actually been instructed by God, and someone who is deluded and just thinks they have. Any suggestions?

[ronedee]

Provide ME with demonstrable evidence, reasoned argument and valid/sound logic to support your claims of NO GOD. If you do, I will be compelled to change my views.

Basic logic fail. You are passing the burden of proof.

I am not making that claim that no gods exist. I have nothing to prove. 

I simply disbelieve your claims. And the claims of every other theist.

I don't care what you believe, or don't believe.

I have nothing to prove either. I just want to put a dent your armor... so to speak. And you in mine! I'm all ears. I've said from the beginning on this forum; I'm not evangelizing, or preaching. I'm here for someone to tear down my faith. So far, its only been strengthened.

Lets face it.... there isn't much in the way of "proof" for either of us. But existence itself is a more compelling argument for God, than against. If you are NOT claiming God doesn't exist, your argument is worthless. Because, if there is a God.... He makes the rules. Not you. Nor I. A better thing to do is search for reasons, than to sit around arguing and complaining.

As I tried unsuccessfully to point out.... "why" is a better question, than "why not". I mean even Einstein said, "science was nothing without imagination." And he basically theorized relativity from his sofa. It took 3 others to actually prove it years later.

Atheists look at everything based on mans understanding of the universe..... which is logic from a tiny dark box! To quote Thomas Edison, "we don't know one millionth of a percent about anything." For atheists there is no accounting for the vastly superior intelligence of a God who created the universe. That baffles me! Doesn't it make more sense to try and understand God together, than to end every serious debate with a rude joke, or insult? My take on the childish shit is, the only one who is really laughing is the really, really smart guy.

[Lemonvariable72]

The fact that you would consider a being that requires willful ignorance and blind worship to be the pinnacle of perfection

[The Grand Nudger]

Atheists look at everything based on mans understanding of the universe.....

Yes......because there's no other type of understanding available to us.  Not to me, not to you, not to anyone.  What else could our understanding -be- excepts man's understanding..........?  

 which is logic from a tiny dark box!

and I;m sure that you both have the light and are here to shine it.........

 To quote Thomas Edison, "we don't know one millionth of a percent about anything." For atheists there is no accounting for the vastly superior intelligence of a God who created the universe. That baffles me! Doesn't it make more sense to try and understand God together, than to end every serious debate with a rude joke, or insult? My take on the childish shit is, the only one who is really laughing is the really, really smart guy.

Yes yes, dumb atheists, being childish.  Anything else you'd like to whine about, chimp?


(Just trying to live up to the role you're painting for us....) 

[Simon Moon]

I don't care what you believe, or don't believe.

Okay, it sure seemed like you cared when you said, "An answer that will blow the atheist theme to smithereens!". 

I have nothing to prove either. I just want to put a dent your armor... so to speak. And you in mine! I'm all ears. I've said from the beginning on this forum; I'm not evangelizing, or preaching. I'm here for someone to tear down my faith. So far, its only been strengthened.

The only thing that would put a dent in my armor is for you to provide evidence and reasoned argument to support claims that a god exists.

It is entirely possible that your faith can not be torn down. The reason? You believe faith has more merit than the lack of evidence for your god beliefs.

You think that believing based on faith is a good thing. 

Lets face it.... there isn't much in the way of "proof" for either of us. But existence itself is a more compelling argument for God, than against. If you are NOT claiming God doesn't exist, your argument is worthless. Because, if there is a God.... He makes the rules. Not you. Nor I. A better thing to do is search for reasons, than to sit around arguing and complaining.

The thing is, I do not need proof for my position. I am not claiming that gods do no not exist. The only thing I need is for theists to continue to provide unconvincing arguments and evidence.

As I tried unsuccessfully to point out.... "why" is a better question, than "why not". I mean even Einstein said, "science was nothing without imagination." And he basically theorized relativity from his sofa. It took 3 others to actually prove it years later.

Einstein? Seriously...

Einstein also said this, "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can change this.".

Atheists look at everything based on mans understanding of the universe..... which is logic from a tiny dark box! To quote Thomas Edison, "we don't know one millionth of a percent about anything."

All we have is our understanding of the universe. 

And if new evidence is found to support the existence of a god in that "one millionth of a percent ", that's when I will start believing it. Not a second before.

For atheists there is no accounting for the vastly superior intelligence of a God who created the universe. That baffles me!

No, for atheists, there is drastically insufficient evidence to justify belief in a god. Trying to apply attributes (superior intelligence) to something we disbelieve in, is silly.

I get the idea that there is quite a bit that baffles you. Two examples: basic logic, and what constitutes good evidence.

Doesn't it make more sense to try and understand God together, than to end every serious debate with a rude joke, or insult? My take on the childish shit is, the only one who is really laughing is the really, really smart guy.

As soon as you, or any other theists, provides demonstrable evidence and reasoned argument to support the existence of a god, then, and only then will I attempt to "understand God". Why should I try to understand something that is indistinguishable from being nonexistent?

[Iroscato]

Thing is...nobody is trying to tear down your beliefs. The layers upon layers of logical fallacies, inconsistencies, contradictions, lack of morality, and utter irrelevance do a splendid job of that on their own.
We're not looking to 'convert' you, but it's fun to point out the stupid when we see it