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RE: Biblical Prayer Contradictions
June 18, 2015 at 1:51 am
(June 18, 2015 at 12:34 am)Godschild Wrote: I know because God has revealed the truth of scriptures to me, I've asked Him some very serious question about scripture to the point of questioning why they were written as they are. God has answered at times when I wasn't expecting an answer or had even given up on getting an answer. To put the answers in a nutshell for you, God said, I Am the Truth. Meaning He can only give us the truth when it comes to teaching us with the scriptures.
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RE: Biblical Prayer Contradictions
June 18, 2015 at 1:57 am
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Quote: So you will argue from any position, because you do not want the Bible to be true, it being true would mean you would be in eternal trouble.
No, not really. We argue by looking at the book as objectively as possible and use logic, you on the other hand, will argue from any position to attempt to answer our findings. Christians don’t look at the book honestly, they defend it no matter what, against all reason and logic.
Quote: I know because God has revealed the truth of scriptures to me, I've asked Him some very serious question about scripture to the point of questioning why they were written as they are. God has answered at times when I wasn't expecting an answer or had even given up on getting an answer. To put the answers in a nutshell for you, God said, I Am the Truth. Meaning He can only give us the truth when it comes to teaching us with the scriptures.
The voice you hear, are thoughts in your head, hopefully. If you are having conversations with yourself, and thinking you are talking to god, something is wrong there. Unless you can have other witnesses to verify the voice that you hear, and can verify that this voice is coming from no known source from earth, then I wouldn’t advice you to say you have had conversations with god. They are thoughts in your head, if you were talking to god, he’d come down to see you, and actually talk to you, not use unreliable thoughts that pop into your head. And, to your final point, for the people that actually use their brains, they would say why are there things that are not true in that book and why do many things contradict each other in that book? There are dozens and dozens of insane stories, that make no sense whatsoever, and we’re supposed to believe them on faith, or delude ourselves to the point of thinking our thoughts, are the voice of god..seriously? How can someone make a logical case that this is the word of god?
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RE: Biblical Prayer Contradictions
June 18, 2015 at 12:13 pm
(June 18, 2015 at 12:39 am)Crossless1 Wrote: In other words, more of the 'internal witness of the Holy Spirit' bullshit you guys trot out when you can't provide the goods to a reasonable question.
Then what would you have me say?
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RE: Biblical Prayer Contradictions
June 18, 2015 at 12:27 pm
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Ideally? Very little. 
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RE: Biblical Prayer Contradictions
June 18, 2015 at 12:29 pm
(June 18, 2015 at 1:51 am)Neimenovic Wrote: (June 18, 2015 at 12:34 am)Godschild Wrote: I know because God has revealed the truth of scriptures to me, I've asked Him some very serious question about scripture to the point of questioning why they were written as they are. God has answered at times when I wasn't expecting an answer or had even given up on getting an answer. To put the answers in a nutshell for you, God said, I Am the Truth. Meaning He can only give us the truth when it comes to teaching us with the scriptures.
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How do you know it was god?
How did you know when your father or mother called to you when they were out of sight? Read John 10:1-5.
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RE: Biblical Prayer Contradictions
June 18, 2015 at 1:20 pm
(June 18, 2015 at 1:57 am)Salacious B. Crumb Wrote: Quote: So you will argue from any position, because you do not want the Bible to be true, it being true would mean you would be in eternal trouble.
Quote:No, not really. We argue by looking at the book as objectively as possible and use logic, you on the other hand, will argue from any position to attempt to answer our findings. Christians don’t look at the book honestly, they defend it no matter what, against all reason and logic.
Yes really, you will do anything to discredit the Bible in your mind because it being true would put you in eternal trouble. You may have read the Bible, though I doubt it from your statements and questions, you read into it what you want to see, Christians who are sincere about God read and understand what God desires for our lives. You do not read the Bible with reason and logic because they must be preceded by an open mind, a closed mind can only perceive what it already contains. Why wouldn't a Christian look at the Bible honestly and with open mind, it guides our lives, FYI that's extremely important to us.
Quote: I know because God has revealed the truth of scriptures to me, I've asked Him some very serious question about scripture to the point of questioning why they were written as they are. God has answered at times when I wasn't expecting an answer or had even given up on getting an answer. To put the answers in a nutshell for you, God said, I Am the Truth. Meaning He can only give us the truth when it comes to teaching us with the scriptures.
Quote:The voice you hear, are thoughts in your head, hopefully. If you are having conversations with yourself, and thinking you are talking to god, something is wrong there. Unless you can have other witnesses to verify the voice that you hear, and can verify that this voice is coming from no known source from earth, then I wouldn’t advice you to say you have had conversations with god. They are thoughts in your head, if you were talking to god, he’d come down to see you, and actually talk to you, not use unreliable thoughts that pop into your head. And, to your final point, for the people that actually use their brains, they would say why are there things that are not true in that book and why do many things contradict each other in that book? There are dozens and dozens of insane stories, that make no sense whatsoever, and we’re supposed to believe them on faith, or delude ourselves to the point of thinking our thoughts, are the voice of god..seriously? How can someone make a logical case that this is the word of god?
Look at the answer I gave to Neimenovic above, read the verses and hopefully you might understand. Christians do not hear an audible voice from God, though sometimes it's so clear it seem that way, most of the time it is through the scriptures God reveals to us the answer to prayer and like I said the answers usually come at unsuspecting times, God's little way of letting us know He's been listening.
Insane to one who will not accept an omniscient and omnipotent God, contradictory for one looking for nothing other than contradictions. When a person looks at the Bible as a history or science book they have already missed out, the Bible was never intended to be either, the entire purpose of the Bible is to teach, teach us to grow in a relationship with the God we have accepted into our lives because we desire what He has for us. For those who do not want God in their lives they can't understand what's there, they have no idea what a relationship with God is like nor what it can contain and if that's your choice it is that, but do not tell us we are delusional we know better, it is those who do not know God who are in the dark. Also there are no contradictions in the Bible, when it's truly studied what might seem to be contradictory is found not to be so.
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RE: Biblical Prayer Contradictions
June 18, 2015 at 1:59 pm
(June 18, 2015 at 12:29 pm)Godschild Wrote: How did you know when your father or mother called to you when they were out of sight? Read John 10:1-5.
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I have no parents, I'm a reptilian alien developed in a lab on a different planet.
This is how your bible sounds to me.
But back to the point: how do you know that John 10:1-5 is the truth?
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Biblical Prayer Contradictions
June 18, 2015 at 2:03 pm
(June 18, 2015 at 1:20 pm)Godschild Wrote: Yes really, you will do anything to discredit the Bible in your mind because it being true would put you in eternal trouble.
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Is that not what you do with the Koran?
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RE: Biblical Prayer Contradictions
June 18, 2015 at 4:12 pm
Quote: You do not read the Bible with reason and logic because they must be preceded by an open mind, a closed mind can only perceive what it already contains. Why wouldn't a Christian look at the Bible honestly and with open mind, it guides our lives, FYI that's extremely important to us.
WOW...
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RE: Biblical Prayer Contradictions
June 18, 2015 at 4:47 pm
(June 18, 2015 at 1:59 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: (June 18, 2015 at 12:29 pm)Godschild Wrote: How did you know when your father or mother called to you when they were out of sight? Read John 10:1-5.
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I have no parents, I'm a reptilian alien developed in a lab on a different planet.
This is how your bible sounds to me.
But back to the point: how do you know that John 10:1-5 is the truth?
There's no reason to doubt what I know, I've heard from God and John 10:1-5 reveals I'll know it's Him.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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