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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 27, 2015 at 10:09 am
(June 27, 2015 at 3:28 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: (June 25, 2015 at 8:24 am)Rekeisha Wrote: Also can you explain which of those killings would not be wrong from a biblical stand point and if you can would you then explain it to me?
If you had read the Bible you would know that it says in Romans that we do instinctively know what is just and unjust because it is written on our hearts. If that's true then what's up with all of the prophets, saviors, and "holy" books? If you instinctively know what is just and unjust then why do you need all of those things?
This is why Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Ame
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 27, 2015 at 12:28 pm
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"For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse."
So stuff like trees are meant to be proof of god? I can pull up a large list of nature deities that nature would be proof of, if we're going to go that route. Trees are proof of trees. They are not proof of Gaia. Even if we narrowed it down to creator gods, and not just nature spirits, there is more than one story about creator gods. The universe is proof of the universe. It does not prove Vishnu.
Using vague proofs doesn't work towards proving specific deities.
"Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity"
In other words, he did a half assed job, and when that didn't work he gave up.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 27, 2015 at 7:48 pm
what is your standard of judgment for saying that God didn't do the job right?
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 27, 2015 at 7:57 pm
(June 27, 2015 at 7:48 pm)Rekeisha Wrote: what is your standard of judgment for saying that God didn't do the job right?
How about the fact that our anatomy looks like a 4th grader designed it.
We have nerves that take ridiculous detours around our heart, our brains have to flip the image because our eyes see everything upside down (and have a blind spot to boot,) the fact that we use the same tube for ingestion and respiration (that's a true no brainer,) the fact that our feet have 26 moving parts, most of which aren't necessary, the fact that our spines and knees aren't good for bipedalism, the fact that I have nipples, the fact that my waste tract runs right next to my fun tract, or the fact that my urinary tract runs through my prostate gland.
The point is that if I could do a better job, your god is a halfwit.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 27, 2015 at 10:02 pm
(June 27, 2015 at 7:48 pm)Rekeisha Wrote: what is your standard of judgment for saying that God didn't do the job right?
His repeated failure at doing what he presumably wanted to do. I was under the impression that he wants everyone to get to heaven, yet only a minority of people are getting there. So either he doesn't care, and will just take what he gets and leave the rest to burn, or he's incompetent. He can't even keep his own followers from killing each other over how to worship him. The people who want to follow him the most are killing each other over differences in interpretations.
What do you think his end goal is? What do you think he would like most out of his creation? Is the majority of that happening right now?
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 28, 2015 at 1:55 am
Uhm, let's see...
If I was to design a life form, and I had no rules to worry about, I'd make it so that it wouldn't need to eat or drink in order to survive. And I wouldn't make it so that it has to expel excrement and urine either. That's point 1 of about 8 million.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 28, 2015 at 2:52 am
(June 27, 2015 at 7:48 pm)Rekeisha Wrote: what is your standard of judgment for saying that God didn't do the job right?
Toxocariasis. The appendix. The human spine. Natural disaster. 99% of the universe being deadly to us. His lawyers being drooling idiots.
Looks like a good job to you?
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 28, 2015 at 2:58 am
Also, his perfect original creations disobeyed in him all of 5 minutes after consulting the local wildlife. Doesn't get more fail than that.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 28, 2015 at 4:09 am
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I hope Jesus' ability to turn water into wine isn't a fixed one because he needs to apply cold water to that sick burn.
Holy fuck.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 28, 2015 at 4:24 am
(June 28, 2015 at 1:55 am)robvalue Wrote: Uhm, let's see...
If I was to design a life form, and I had no rules to worry about, I'd make it so that it wouldn't need to eat or drink in order to survive. And I wouldn't make it so that it has to expel excrement and urine either. That's point 1 of about 8 million.
Even galaxies eat. It sounds as if you want everyone to be a houris.
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