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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 28, 2015 at 5:56 am
Nothing has to eat anything! I'm making the rules, remember 
I think theists flip-flop between "how things are" and "god's almighty power" without even realizing they are doing it.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 28, 2015 at 8:10 am
(June 28, 2015 at 1:55 am)robvalue Wrote: Uhm, let's see...
If I was to design a life form, and I had no rules to worry about, I'd make it so that it wouldn't need to eat or drink in order to survive. And I wouldn't make it so that it has to expel excrement and urine either. That's point 1 of about 8 million.
How is it going to grow without taking in nutrients and getting rid of waste?
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 28, 2015 at 8:22 am
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It doesn't need to grow, I made them just the right size 
They can alter their size if they want to, for fun. They need no nutrients, they don't need anything. I'm not talking about any sort of universe like this one. I'd make a far more suitable environment.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 28, 2015 at 11:29 am
I was asking what standard or what established and authoritative set of guidelines are you use to judge God?
@chad If it is the Word of God is your standard then God meets it. It also says The standard you use in judging is the standard by which you will be judged. Matt 7:2. Also as for His followers killing each other it says in 1 john 4 If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. 21 And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother. Also 2 Peter 3:9 and 1 Tim 2:4 is not a command for everyone to be saved it is a want for everyone to be saved and since he wants that he will allow His word to be spread through the earth as well wait for his final judgment day so that as many that can be saved will be saved.
@ Rob if you are the standard by which you are judging God how do you know you are a good standard because you could be wrong.
If there is another standard you are using to judge God I would like to hear it.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 28, 2015 at 11:35 am
(June 28, 2015 at 11:29 am)Rekeisha Wrote: If there is another standard you are using to judge God I would like to hear it.
Depending on which god, the book of that god.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 28, 2015 at 11:57 am
(June 28, 2015 at 11:29 am)Rekeisha Wrote: I was asking what standard or what established and authoritative set of guidelines are you use to judge God?
@chad If it is the Word of God is your standard then God meets it. It also says The standard you use in judging is the standard by which you will be judged. Matt 7:2. Also as for His followers killing each other it says in 1 john 4 If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. 21 And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother. Also 2 Peter 3:9 and 1 Tim 2:4 is not a command for everyone to be saved it is a want for everyone to be saved and since he wants that he will allow His word to be spread through the earth as well wait for his final judgment day so that as many that can be saved will be saved.
@Rob if you are the standard by which you are judging God how do you know you are a good standard because you could be wrong.
If there is another standard you are using to judge God I would like to hear it.
Well if my word is my standard, I say I'm the best at everything. Which is obviously true, because I say it is. If we're going to go by what people say, instead of what they do, everyone is good, no one is evil, and we all deserve everything we want. Which would probably end up with everyone simultaneously praising everyone else for being king and queen of everything.
My exact standards and guidelines are how I was raised, and my life experience. Which is admittedly subjective, but so is morality as a whole. I may agree with a few things that the bible says, but I disagree with a lot of it. Including the main message, which is that I need to devote my life to someone who refuses to show himself.
If someone says I love god, yet hates his brother, he's a liar. yet anyone who wishes to follow god, and doesn't hate his friends, family, and even his life, isn't worthy of Jesus. So you have to love and hate your brother, at the same time, which means no one is getting into heaven. Super.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 28, 2015 at 6:35 pm
I may have missed it, Rek, but did you answer my question about who Satan killed before Yahweh condemned people to die for disobedience? Or started drowning people? Or is this just from the idea that thoughts equal action, so he killed Yahweh at some point?
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 28, 2015 at 8:29 pm
You get you morals, or standard, from your up bringing and those morals are subjective so I guess you are saying that there is no moral absolute. So why are you upset with the way God does things? If there is no absolute you shouldn't have a problem with it because, by what you are saying, there is no right or wrong. The problem thought is that you keep saying God is wrong so you don't live by what you are preaching. If there is a right then morals can not be subjective there has to be an absolute right and an absolute wrong. So do you get upset by your perceived incongruence with God and His word?
What do you think the main message of the bible is?
No I didn't answer you question and I don't quite understand what you are asking would you please restate it.
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 28, 2015 at 8:56 pm
But there is a right and wrong. generally what does the most good for everyone, and the least harm is right. A violent dictator who kills people for petty reasons, and threatens to torture people by default, is not exactly good for the greater group. If right and wrong are objective, then we don't need to follow your god to know right or wrong, and thus don't need him. If right and wrong comes from your god, then it's subjective, and we have room to disagree.
The main message of the bible is that we are created to serve Yahweh. If we accept, we get the reward of worshiping him for the rest of existence. If we don't, we get to burn the rest of existence.
Your bible says Satan was a murderer from the beginning, and I asked who he killed. We know your god has no problem with killing people for whatever reason he sees fit, and he's the one who created Satan, so like created like creator. Why get in a twist if satan kills someone when Yahweh kills so many?
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RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 28, 2015 at 10:00 pm
So you agree that there is right and wrong which means there is a moral law. If there is a moral law then it is an objective authority and outside of all human thought. So then what set up this moral law?
The message of the Bible is about God and who He is and His plan for redeeming a fallen creation.
The Devil sows seeds in the hearts of people to sin against God. He lies to them by acting as if he wants to bring harmony and freedom. He is cunning so he will use whatever he can to draw you away from God. All he wants to do is destroy God's creation because he sought to be God. Since he failed he want to take as much as God's creation down as he can.
Yes, God created the devil but He didn't create Him to disobey just like He didn't create us to disobey. He gave him and us the ability to choose to follow or to not follow. The one main difference is that God made a way for us to come back into union with Him. Through the death and resurrection of Jesus our sin can be forgiven if we would repent and admit we are sinners. Then trust and believe that Jesus' and make Him our Lord and Savior.
Also God is an infinitely wise, understanding, loving, just and knowledgeable. He started our live and will end them in His timing.
Also to comment on the Loving God you wrote of earlier. Mark 12:30-31 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” No one should take the place of God and sometime that will look as though you hate them. If you are doing the first commandment in the verses then you will do the second as well.
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