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RE: Transgendered children
July 16, 2015 at 10:36 am
(July 16, 2015 at 8:01 am)Pandæmonium Wrote: Protip to everyone (and apologies if this has been cited before), I would take everything written by the Daily Fail with a pinch of salt. At the very least check other sources first before taking them at their word, because they have a very right wing Christian moralist perspective on things and tend to demean anything and everything.
FYI, I believe this report might be linked to a documentary that aired here in the UK about children with GID. I can't be sure but I'd be willing to bet the DM have taken something out of context and twist it into a story about two lesbians forcing their child to be a girl.
That's why I was saying to go beyond this thread and do more research because there really is quite a bit out there.
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RE: Transgendered children
July 16, 2015 at 10:42 am
(July 16, 2015 at 1:06 am)rexbeccarox Wrote: (July 16, 2015 at 12:36 am)celtic.white Wrote: My taken on this is simple, direct, and unequivocal. Sex and gender binaries are irrefutables of science, of natural order and selection., and they map perfectly enough on to each other to be easily handled by parents who have the confidence and backbone to say, "NO!" to the inevitable whining of butch dykes and sissy faggot "bois." "Transgenderism" is one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated by radical feminist "social constructionists" to disrupt family health and stability and parental rights.
Wow. Way to make an entrance.
Just look at his username - C'mon
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RE: Transgendered children
July 17, 2015 at 2:30 am
(July 16, 2015 at 10:42 am)Dystopia Wrote: (July 16, 2015 at 1:06 am)rexbeccarox Wrote: Wow. Way to make an entrance.
Just look at his username - C'mon [emoji14]
Exactly what purpose does "just looking" at my username serve? Does it diminish that which I write? I'm actually quite intrigued by yours, and certainly wouldn't rule out conversation with you just from looking at it.
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RE: Transgendered children
July 17, 2015 at 4:13 am
You know, there's plenty sick fucks out there, so I wouldn't be suspicious just by the 1488 shtick, but your ramblings on satan are so trollish, you have to either be in serious need of medical attention or a very sad, bored human being
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RE: Transgendered children
July 17, 2015 at 9:33 am
(July 16, 2015 at 5:37 am)Neimenovic Wrote: um, BQ, pretty sure it was a doctor who made that decision
Doctors also have previously made decisions regarding removing childrens tonsils back in the 90's and look what a mistake that has turned out to be in hindsight.
I personally don't quite know if I accept the idea that the desire to identify as the opposite sex is an actual mental condition, despite that I don't honestly care if a man wants to try and make himself a female or a woman vice versa. Whatever makes them happy, doesn't hurt anyone, they're big boys/girls now and can make adult decisions for themselves. It really isn't something I can relate to personally, I might like men but I've never had any desire to be feminine.
REGARDLESS EITHERWAY...This is a big mistake. You can just say this is delaying puberty but as others have pointed out this is going to have severe physical consequences if he pulls out, height is a very important thing for a man and that's just one thing. Physical strength, physical development....Heck he might as well go through the transition even if he doesn't want to by that point.
I'm all for transgendered individuals making the change, but I'm totally against under 18's beginning it. Not the dressing up or using makeup or whatever, but children can have pretty serious changes in personality. I've known at least one eight year old boy who played with Barbies who later went on to join the army. Hell, if I did everything I wanted as a kid I'd probably be living in a branch of McDonalds.
By all means buy the kid some girls toys, talk about it, think about it some more but don't make any damn serious changes like that before they can make rational decisions for themselves.
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RE: Transgendered children
July 17, 2015 at 9:57 am
(This post was last modified: July 17, 2015 at 10:17 am by Regina.)
Height is important for women too, or lack thereof.
I don't want to be shady to Caitlyn Jenner, but lets be real she is very clockable. If you don't delay puberty that is how a lot of transwomen could end up. That can cause them a lot of emotional pain because their body has gone through irreversible changes and turned into a man's body (not just height, it's also broad shoulders, thin hips, mens' legs, deep voices they have to work hard to lose, maybe even balding).
I think it should be done on a case-by-case basis. If a child has just randomly said "I want to change my sex" on a whim out of nowhere, then sure they shouldn't get puberty blocked. However like I've said before, if you are talking about a kid who has consistently been saying "I want to be a girl/boy" from age 3,4,5 all the way down to puberty age that's not a "whim". That's a kid who is serious and knows what they want.
"playing with barbies" also isn't really that good an indicator of gender identity. I was one of those little boys you look at and can tell from a mile away, "you're gay you just don't know it yet". I was very feminine. However, at no point did I ever want to be female or feel discomfort at being male. This is about identity more than gender roles. Gender roles mean nothing, they are just what society tell us men do and women do, so often and casually that they become "truths". They have absolutely no meaning or no relevance to sex organs.
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RE: Transgendered children
July 17, 2015 at 10:22 am
(July 17, 2015 at 9:57 am)Yeauxleaux Wrote: "playing with barbies" also isn't really that good an indicator of gender identity. I was one of those little boys you look at and can tell from a mile away, "you're gay you just don't know it yet". I was very feminine. However, at no point did I ever want to be female or feel discomfort at being male. This is about identity more than gender roles. Gender roles mean nothing, they are just what society tell us men do and women do, so often and casually that they become "truths". They have absolutely no meaning or no relevance to sex organs.
^^This.
To take the general case here, these are children who report from the time they're toddlers that their sex organs feel "wrong." This isn't a case of a boy saying "I want to dress like a girl" or even "I want to be a girl." This is a case of a boy saying "No, I am a girl." So much of this strife is confusing cross-dressing with transgender.
Metis, please check out the posts I made referencing the NIH study about neural pathways and brain chemistry in transgender individuals.
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RE: Transgendered children
July 17, 2015 at 10:25 am
(July 16, 2015 at 2:46 am)celtic.white Wrote: I'll think I'll only be able to let go of the possibility that I'm dreaming when instead of offering the fabled "hand up" to some niggers, I'll be waving that hand in victory after its first ever bath in human blood from using all necessary force with extreme prejudice.
Thanks again for writing, Rebecca. Sorry for blathering on; I'm just so eager to translate my new awareness into action.
Hope you hid your IP address well enough for the FBI not to find you. I just reported this to the tip line. That's some Charleston shit right there.
On a lot of levels I hope you are a troll and you spend a couple of nights in jail and lose a bunch of money because you thought this would be funny.
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RE: Transgendered children
July 17, 2015 at 12:47 pm
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Ġesù fucking Kristu
I want to believe it's a troll so bad but somehow I'm not convinced.
He needs to be locked up... with a straight jacket.
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RE: Transgendered children
July 17, 2015 at 12:56 pm
(July 17, 2015 at 10:25 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: (July 16, 2015 at 2:46 am)celtic.white Wrote: I'll think I'll only be able to let go of the possibility that I'm dreaming when instead of offering the fabled "hand up" to some niggers, I'll be waving that hand in victory after its first ever bath in human blood from using all necessary force with extreme prejudice.
Thanks again for writing, Rebecca. Sorry for blathering on; I'm just so eager to translate my new awareness into action.
Hope you hid your IP address well enough for the FBI not to find you. I just reported this to the tip line. That's some Charleston shit right there.
On a lot of levels I hope you are a troll and you spend a couple of nights in jail and lose a bunch of money because you thought this would be funny.
Hence why I told to look at his name - The celtic cross is the new symbol of white supremacism to avoid being too obvious with the Swastika - Obviously it's a gross misinterpretation of the symbol as the celts were a people like any other and they happened to be white - I'm probably "celtic" looking as most of my ancestors were celtic, but it's horrible to use their symbol as a motto for white supremacism.
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