RE: do religious people really believe?
February 24, 2013 at 10:50 am
(This post was last modified: February 24, 2013 at 10:53 am by Mystical.)
#2.
Nummmberrrr two.
Well, I can't seem to remember what number 2 is anymore, it's been a long night Something to do with mountains not moving..and god being a jerkface.. Ah well, here's a little jig to distract you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co6-tYS9k1U
Maybe you do have some prophesy powers after all
We went first to the doctors. When it was established that my rare disease was incureable and I was not responding to treatments (the doctors were giving me the wrong ones to see if they could make a point for the medical journals), that's when I a young 19yr old, listened to these religious based types of arguments: that doctors are just playing god, that god created us and thus can heal us at any moment, the faith of a child can move a mountain, etc etc. I do recall these very verses being quoted to me regarding refusal of treatment:
Conclusion drawn out for me: Even when visiting a doctor, our ultimate faith is to be in God, not the doctor. Since I was on such invasive treatments such as cytoxan (mustard seed derivitive btw Frodo!), I could've been healed already and not know it, or I could be impeding on god's healing of my body with the drugs.
Conclusion proposed: doctors might try to play god but only god can heal me and I must give him every opportunity to do so. Including having ultimate faith in his healing ability by refusing earthly intrusions.
When medical intervention failed me, faith is all I had left to turn to. Sad but true.
Nummmberrrr two.
Well, I can't seem to remember what number 2 is anymore, it's been a long night Something to do with mountains not moving..and god being a jerkface.. Ah well, here's a little jig to distract you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co6-tYS9k1U
FrOdo Wrote:If you can tear yourself away from dominating Esq for a moment!
Maybe you do have some prophesy powers after all
Esquilax Wrote:Hell, a doctor- an actual educated and trained professional- would be a much more impressive instrument for divinity
Quote:There are some Christians who believe that seeking medical attention is demonstrating a lack of faith in God. In the Word-Faith movement, consulting a doctor is often considered a lack of faith that will actually prevent God from healing you. In groups such as Christian Science, seeking the help of physicians is sometimes viewed as a barrier to using the spiritual energy God has given us to heal ourselves. Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Christians-g...z2LpKpbQb3
We went first to the doctors. When it was established that my rare disease was incureable and I was not responding to treatments (the doctors were giving me the wrong ones to see if they could make a point for the medical journals), that's when I a young 19yr old, listened to these religious based types of arguments: that doctors are just playing god, that god created us and thus can heal us at any moment, the faith of a child can move a mountain, etc etc. I do recall these very verses being quoted to me regarding refusal of treatment:
Quote:“In the thirty-ninth year of his reign Asa was afflicted with a disease in his feet. Though his disease was severe, even in his illness he did not seek help from the LORD, but only from the physicians.” The issue was not that Asa consulted physicians, but that “he did not seek help from the LORD.”
Conclusion drawn out for me: Even when visiting a doctor, our ultimate faith is to be in God, not the doctor. Since I was on such invasive treatments such as cytoxan (mustard seed derivitive btw Frodo!), I could've been healed already and not know it, or I could be impeding on god's healing of my body with the drugs.
Quote:Mark 5:25-30 relates the story of a woman who had trouble with continual bleeding, a problem that physicians could not heal even though she had been to many of them and had spent all of her money. Coming to Jesus, she thought that if she but touched the hem of His garment, she would be healed; she did touch His hem, and she was healed.
Conclusion proposed: doctors might try to play god but only god can heal me and I must give him every opportunity to do so. Including having ultimate faith in his healing ability by refusing earthly intrusions.
When medical intervention failed me, faith is all I had left to turn to. Sad but true.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.