Rebellion against god

[Astreja]

The ten laws of God - to Love God and fellow creatures, what part didn't gel with you?
Because that's the summary of the Bible. That's what "hearing" is all about.

How does one conjure up the emotion "love" on demand?  It's certainly possible to behave in a manner that others will perceive as loving, but the actual emotions are not guaranteed.

I simply can't feel any emotion at all towards the god of the Bible, positive or negative.  Even as a fictional character it doesn't evoke any particular emotional response.  The character is very  badly written -- a mishmash of baffling behaviours and unfathomable motives -- and makes neither a good protagonist nor a good antagonist.

[robvalue]

The ten laws of God - to Love God and fellow creatures, what part didn't gel with you?
Because that's the summary of the Bible. That's what "hearing" is all about.

How does one conjure up the emotion "love" on demand?  It's certainly possible to behave in a manner that others will perceive as loving, but the actual emotions are not guaranteed.

I simply can't feel any emotion at all towards the god of the Bible, positive or negative.  Even as a fictional character it doesn't evoke any particular emotional response.  The character is very  badly written -- a mishmash of baffling behaviours and unfathomable motives -- and makes neither a good protagonist nor a good antagonist.

Right, if it actually turned up, there's no way to tell which parts of the text accurately describe it, and which don't. They can't logically all describe it, because they contradict each other. I suppose the only explanation would be a fairly powerful being that has being telling a lot of lies about its abilities and history, and has gone insane.

[Banned]

The ten laws of God - to Love God and fellow creatures, what part didn't gel with you?
Because that's the summary of the Bible. That's what "hearing" is all about.

Wow, ok -  'to love god", of course.  I mean, I think it would be cool to meet The Flash or Athena or a friendly vampire or a Hogwarts professor, but I don't LOVE them, because they're fictional.  Like god.  

Too easy, way too easy, give me a harder question.

I am having trouble taking your story in, which you share parts of here and there. I don't understand how you could end up so angry and bitter, over what you term is a whole lot of myths.

I know there's the angle that you don't like to see people decieved and ruined, but how is the life of a believer so much worse than anyone else's?

You really get worked up about these things, to the point that you have to try and intimidate, humiliate and utterly slay Christians by your words.

That doesn't seem normal and balanced, and it tells me that there are other issues far worse which you may have to address.

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This idiot proclaimed that the staff changed his name to banned, this idiot proclaimed we are all a bunch of socks, This idiot proclaims his original post here was edited by a mod.

Giving too much credence to him IMO. Also lel at the satan thinguie. it is just as real as your god.

I never said a mod changed my post etc. I said my computer went down, and I couldn't get AF. or post etc, then when I fixed the problem, my user name and avatar were changed.
I also said that I use desposible software to cover my costs.

If you want to make accusations try not to incriminate yourself by exaggerating.

Your comments show that you would like people to think I am an idiot.

Why would that be important for you?

Why do you feel stupid and shameful?

Did you know that people who put others down, are usually just transferring what they have experienced?

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How does one conjure up the emotion "love" on demand?  It's certainly possible to behave in a manner that others will perceive as loving, but the actual emotions are not guaranteed.

I simply can't feel any emotion at all towards the god of the Bible, positive or negative.  Even as a fictional character it doesn't evoke any particular emotional response.  The character is very  badly written -- a mishmash of baffling behaviours and unfathomable motives -- and makes neither a good protagonist nor a good antagonist.

I like how you know yourself well. That's quite valuable.

Emotions? We both know that they're not the best judge of truth.
I know that sensationalism is commonly encouraged in churches. It's garbage.

My emotions can make me feel close to God, but they have also caused me to rebel. Was I really rebelling, or just overreacting?
I don't want to judge my standing with God by any feelings, good or bad.

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Right, if it actually turned up, there's no way to tell which parts of the text accurately describe it, and which don't. They can't logically all describe it, because they contradict each other. I suppose the only explanation would be a fairly powerful being that has being telling a lot of lies about its abilities and history, and has gone insane.

I agree, that you'd have to know what judge God by, if you were to make a proper ID of a turn up.
Lights, thunder and healings aren't exclusive to God, those things can be done by men and angels and healings can be done as well.

[drfuzzy]

Wow, ok -  'to love god", of course.  I mean, I think it would be cool to meet The Flash or Athena or a friendly vampire or a Hogwarts professor, but I don't LOVE them, because they're fictional.  Like god.  

Too easy, way too easy, give me a harder question.

I am having trouble taking your story in, which you share parts of here and there. I don't understand how you could end up so angry and bitter, over what you term is a whole lot of myths.

I know there's the angle that you don't like to see people decieved and ruined, but how is the life of a believer so much worse than anyone else's?

You really get worked up about these things, to the point that you have to try and intimidate, humiliate and utterly slay Christians by your words.

That doesn't seem normal and balanced, and it tells me that there are other issues far worse which you may have to address.

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This idiot proclaimed that the staff changed his name to banned, this idiot proclaimed we are all a bunch of socks, This idiot proclaims his original post here was edited by a mod.

Giving too much credence to him IMO. Also lel at the satan thinguie. it is just as real as your god.

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I never said a mod changed my post etc. I said my computer went down, and I couldn't get AF. or post etc, then when I fixed the problem, my user name and avatar were changed.
I also said that I use desposible software to cover my costs.

If you want to make accusations try not to incriminate yourself by exaggerating.

Your comments show that you would like people to think I am an idiot.

Why would that be important for you?

Why do you feel stupid and shameful?

Did you know that people who put others down, are usually just transferring what they have experienced?

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How does one conjure up the emotion "love" on demand?  It's certainly possible to behave in a manner that others will perceive as loving, but the actual emotions are not guaranteed.

I simply can't feel any emotion at all towards the god of the Bible, positive or negative.  Even as a fictional character it doesn't evoke any particular emotional response.  The character is very  badly written -- a mishmash of baffling behaviours and unfathomable motives -- and makes neither a good protagonist nor a good antagonist.

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I like how you know yourself well. That's quite valuable.

Emotions? We both know that they're not the best judge of truth.
I know that sensationalism is commonly encouraged in churches. It's garbage.

My emotions can make me feel close to God, but they have also caused me to rebel. Was I really rebelling, or just overreacting?
I don't want to judge my standing with God by any feelings, good or bad.

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Right, if it actually turned up, there's no way to tell which parts of the text accurately describe it, and which don't. They can't logically all describe it, because they contradict each other. I suppose the only explanation would be a fairly powerful being that has being telling a lot of lies about its abilities and history, and has gone insane.

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I agree, that you'd have to know what judge God by, if you were to make a proper ID of a turn up.
Lights, thunder and healings aren't exclusive to God, those things can be done by men and angels and healings can be done as well.

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Man, these multiple quote things are irritating.  We should be able to respond to only one statement at a time.

If you had believed in the existence of Santa Claus into your 40's, and then endured abuse and been disowned when you finally realized that it was all bullshit, you would probably be a little pissed off too.  If you were then constantly subjected to Santa believers who keep quoting his naughty list and keep telling you that you should believe, after you have told them over and OVER that you don't believe, you would probably be a little pissed off too.  You can believe in an all-knowing purple unicorn that poops candy and sparkle dust for all I care, none of my business, I hope you're happy.  But the third time you imply that I need to believe and read the PU's comic book, we have a problem.  A big one.  Because that shows that you think I am stupid, deluded, incapable of choosing my own beliefs and desperately in need of your help.  

And your snide remark implying that I must have mental/emotional issues (because in all purple unicorn fanatic's minds, the purple unicorn is the only way to happiness and all non-believers are poor, deluded, angry, sick, sad humans who NEED you to lead them to PU, don't chya know) -- back to your old assholery again, just as expected.

[LadyForCamus]

The word, “faith” means what it means, regardless of what the Bible says.

That's right, when we read the Bible we are to take it at face value according to the rules of language, and secondly we are to understand the tone of a meaning according to it's setting.

No disagreement here.

It's OK to read the Bible from the initial meaning of faith, but sooner or later that will be upgraded.

No.  faith is faith, and it means what it means.  Knowing the scriptures does not prop up, or bolster the meaning of that word in any way.  If you’re taking the Bible on faith alone, then you can’t logically use its contents as a reason to trust it.  That is circular reasoning, as we’ve already talked about.  Knowledge of scriptures is meaningless unless you have reason and evidence to believe they accurately model reality.  

I could know every word of all seven Harry Potter books, and believe them to be true, but that doesn’t mean I have any actual knowledge that they are true. All I’ll ever have at the end of the day is a book.  You take your book on faith alone, and that’s fine, but you must understand that’s not good enough for us here, right?

It is more than a belief in something, because the Bible encourages people to "add knowledge" to faith.

Again, knowledge of the Bible does not increase the likelihood of it being true.  

The faith that is produced by the word of God is the living presence of God in the life, through the Spirit. It is a lving connection with God, and not just a whim.

I have no rational reason to believe any of that, therefore I can dismiss it rationally, as fantasy.

[Banned]

Man, these multiple quote things are irritating.  We should be able to respond to only one statement at a time.

If you had believed in the existence of Santa Claus into your 40's, and then endured abuse and been disowned when you finally realized that it was all bullshit, you would probably be a little pissed off too.  If you were then constantly subjected to Santa believers who keep quoting his naughty list and keep telling you that you should believe, after you have told them over and OVER that you don't believe, you would probably be a little pissed off too.  You can believe in an all-knowing purple unicorn that poops candy and sparkle dust for all I care, none of my business, I hope you're happy.  But the third time you imply that I need to believe and read the PU's comic book, we have a problem.  A big one.  Because that shows that you think I am stupid, deluded, incapable of choosing my own beliefs and desperately in need of your help.  

And your snide remark implying that I must have mental/emotional issues (because in all purple unicorn fanatic's minds, the purple unicorn is the only way to happiness and all non-believers are poor, deluded, angry, sick, sad humans who NEED you to lead them to PU, don't chya know) -- back to your old assholery again, just as expected.

You have every right to be angry, but you don't have the right to take it out on people who you haven't proven are guilty.
There is no shame in anger from abuse.

I don't think you are stupid or deluded. Being disowned is one of the worst human experiences.