(August 5, 2015 at 11:50 am)rainmac Wrote:(August 4, 2015 at 10:20 am)Clueless Morgan Wrote: I'm surprised that a #3 isn't included that mentions phenomena like pareidolia, apophenia and agency-detection coupled with the human capacity for abstract thinking. To me, that seems the most convincing reasons humans might have evolved a tendency for superstitious/religious thought. From this fairly reasonable starting point (to me at least), you can get to #2, and then to #1.Is human agency detection different from other mammals' agency detection? Why is it that humans' agency detection builds the religious framework?
I don't see #1 being a stand-alone explanation for why humans evolved religiosity without some kind of agency-detection system already being in place, and an agency-detection system would be the thing that builds the religious framework that is then used to explain the existential questions being asked, and, as the OP states, #2 can be achieved by so many other successful methods that religiosity doesn't seem wholly sufficient as an explanation.
(August 5, 2015 at 1:42 am)Kitan Wrote: Number two is only a popular theory in modern society because religious people think meeting in church is the way to socialize. They are stupid retarded.There's a lot of this religion is natural stuff like Pascal Boyer's The Naturalness of Religious Ideas: A Cognitive Theory of Religion, but whenever anybody says religion is natural, it gets my hackles up. Everything is natural, but everything still needs explanations. When people label something as natural, it means they don't know how to explain it. In the closed world of physics, everything has a cause--or probability in the quantum world--even if we don't fully understand what that is.
The origin of religion is simple enough; man had no idea from whence he had come and he looked toward simplistic answers due to his limited resources. It was natural to look at the stars and imagine that gods lived up there who created them.
It's fun to bash the irrational believers, but after spending time in an atheist group, I find that atheists can be as irrational and dogmatic as any religious fanatic. And most atheists grasp of evolutionary principles is disappointing as well.
Well, rainmac . . . I'm sorry you're disappointed in simplistic responses, because I know mine was. I'm not stupid, I have multiple degrees, but they are not in the Sciences (or Math, or Philosophy, etc.). I understand that my knowledge of evolutionary principles is rudimentary at best. One good thing I find in the folks here is that we are genuinely curious, generally open-minded, and actively pursuing further education. I do think the opinion put forth by Redbeard, Clueless, and myself, while not stellar examples of evolutionary principles, has some merit though. Humans developed sufficient intelligence to question their own existence: "who made us"? The awesome powers of nature that they could not understand must have had a "who" behind them. Stories about these beings began to be told. -- A lot of preachers tell us that our brains are hard-wired for belief.
Beyond that, it's clear that I would need to do some heavy studying in order to give you the kind of discourse you seem to be looking for. I'll bow out now. If you would like to point me to some good sources to study, I would appreciate it.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein