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If God changed his mind
RE: If God changed his mind
(August 9, 2015 at 4:54 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(August 9, 2015 at 4:33 pm)Esquilax Wrote: What if I told you that the sentiment "I would be okay with, and will in fact entreat, my god to beat the crap out of you, in order to make you agree with me," is vicious and terrible no matter how much doublespeak you inject into it first?

Can I make a suggestion?

I'm not saying that I agree with praying for someone to get cancer in any scenario. I think doing so is wrong, even if it ends up being for the greater good.

Now I'm going to repeat those lines because I'm sure someone will accuse me of it anyway:

I'm not saying that I agree with praying for someone to get cancer in any scenario. I think doing so is wrong, even if it ends up being for the greater good.

With that being said, if you are truly trying to understand where Drich is coming from, you have to look at it through his lenses. What's worse... battling cancer for a limited amount of time, or eternity in torment? He believes that people who do not believe in God go to Hell (a sentiment I also don't share, mind you).  

Drich also said it took him getting cancer to find God.

So, since he believes the worst possible thing that can happen to someone is to be in eternal torment, and since he believes that not believing in God will get you there, and since he personally didn't find God until he got cancer, can you at least understand where he is coming from when he says that he would rather someone go through absolutely anything, regardless of how bad it is, if it would mean avoiding the worst thing of all?
Their were several factors:

First a trip to Hell:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-15622.html
Then a prayer to do whatever it took: post 135
http://atheistforums.org/thread-11671-page-14.html
Then direction:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-13378.html
Then I went to work for several years (their is a post that details everything for the last 20 years, but I can't find it)

Then my comments about cancer here. Then there are several posts in the announcement/departing thread about my cancer scare.

Why is all the ups and down so nessary?

Because it is with the Ups we are tested in faithness and our pride in tested, and with the downs our beliefs are corrected and we learn and grow For God. Wisdom and insight is obtained.

to Not pray for the bad is to rob believers of the easiest way to truly know who God is and what God wants. It also forces out blind eyes to open and our deaf ears to hear Him.

That said the prayers is not just for the bad things but the heart and willingness to learn who God is from those things.

I would not trade my life's experiences for anything period. When it's all laid out most people could not be paid to go though what I have. Not that I want to go through those things. I like everyone else wants a easy life, I just happen to know God CAN be found in the hardships IF one Ask, Seeks, and knocks for him.
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If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - July 17, 2015 at 10:42 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by dyresand - July 17, 2015 at 11:20 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Chad32 - July 17, 2015 at 11:23 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Philomath - August 10, 2015 at 8:41 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by vorlon13 - July 17, 2015 at 11:33 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by rado84 - July 17, 2015 at 11:37 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by dyresand - July 17, 2015 at 12:25 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Spooky - July 17, 2015 at 12:46 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by RobbyPants - July 24, 2015 at 8:25 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Godschild - July 17, 2015 at 11:13 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - July 18, 2015 at 2:40 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Godschild - July 18, 2015 at 8:29 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by dyresand - July 18, 2015 at 11:08 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by IATIA - July 18, 2015 at 11:13 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - July 18, 2015 at 11:18 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Godschild - July 18, 2015 at 2:00 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Muad·Dib - July 18, 2015 at 4:20 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Godschild - July 20, 2015 at 11:26 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Jenny A - July 21, 2015 at 1:35 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Godschild - July 21, 2015 at 1:18 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - July 22, 2015 at 10:23 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Ravenshire - August 9, 2015 at 3:39 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Godschild - August 9, 2015 at 6:44 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Ravenshire - August 9, 2015 at 6:55 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Godschild - August 10, 2015 at 6:29 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Ravenshire - August 10, 2015 at 9:43 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Godschild - August 11, 2015 at 5:22 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Ravenshire - August 11, 2015 at 9:49 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - August 9, 2015 at 9:36 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 10, 2015 at 11:36 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - August 10, 2015 at 11:36 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 10, 2015 at 1:34 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Godschild - August 10, 2015 at 5:40 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - August 10, 2015 at 7:28 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Ravenshire - August 10, 2015 at 9:45 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 21, 2015 at 2:06 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Ravenshire - August 9, 2015 at 3:34 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Godschild - August 9, 2015 at 6:40 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Ravenshire - August 9, 2015 at 6:42 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Longhorn - July 18, 2015 at 3:59 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Godschild - July 18, 2015 at 8:25 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by dyresand - July 18, 2015 at 3:33 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Longhorn - July 18, 2015 at 3:36 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Godschild - July 20, 2015 at 11:10 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Pyrrho - July 18, 2015 at 2:32 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by h4ym4n - July 26, 2015 at 4:54 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Pyrrho - July 26, 2015 at 1:11 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by ignoramus - July 17, 2015 at 11:18 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by vorlon13 - July 18, 2015 at 12:03 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by ignoramus - July 18, 2015 at 12:09 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Muad·Dib - July 18, 2015 at 12:52 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by ignoramus - July 18, 2015 at 2:46 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by robvalue - July 18, 2015 at 3:53 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Pyrrho - July 18, 2015 at 1:23 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by robvalue - July 18, 2015 at 4:02 am
If God changed his mind - by Muad·Dib - July 18, 2015 at 10:45 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by The Grand Nudger - July 18, 2015 at 10:57 am
If God changed his mind - by Muad·Dib - July 18, 2015 at 11:23 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Minimalist - July 18, 2015 at 11:49 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Minimalist - July 18, 2015 at 2:04 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by IATIA - July 18, 2015 at 3:36 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by The Grand Nudger - July 18, 2015 at 4:10 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Godschild - July 20, 2015 at 11:18 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by ronedee - July 18, 2015 at 4:25 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by The Grand Nudger - July 18, 2015 at 4:35 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by robvalue - July 19, 2015 at 6:46 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by robvalue - July 21, 2015 at 3:34 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by AtheistAspie - July 21, 2015 at 4:10 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Silver - July 21, 2015 at 4:11 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 21, 2015 at 4:17 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2015 at 7:47 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by robvalue - July 21, 2015 at 1:21 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by robvalue - July 24, 2015 at 8:59 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - July 25, 2015 at 4:05 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by robvalue - July 25, 2015 at 5:12 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Pyrrho - July 25, 2015 at 10:17 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 25, 2015 at 3:52 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by robvalue - July 25, 2015 at 10:21 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Pyrrho - July 25, 2015 at 10:45 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - July 25, 2015 at 5:46 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by KevinM1 - July 25, 2015 at 5:53 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by robvalue - July 25, 2015 at 10:10 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by ignoramus - July 26, 2015 at 5:20 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by BrokenQuill92 - July 26, 2015 at 5:36 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by robvalue - July 26, 2015 at 5:46 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Pyrrho - July 26, 2015 at 1:00 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - July 26, 2015 at 2:27 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by uniquepegasister - August 8, 2015 at 2:20 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 8, 2015 at 9:38 am
If God changed his mind - by Kingpin - August 8, 2015 at 10:31 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Pyrrho - August 8, 2015 at 1:51 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Catholic_Lady - August 8, 2015 at 5:38 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Longhorn - August 8, 2015 at 5:55 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Longhorn - August 9, 2015 at 3:41 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Catholic_Lady - August 9, 2015 at 10:19 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 9, 2015 at 11:04 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Catholic_Lady - August 9, 2015 at 11:13 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 9, 2015 at 12:07 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Catholic_Lady - August 9, 2015 at 12:09 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 9, 2015 at 2:43 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 10, 2015 at 3:44 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 10, 2015 at 12:06 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Ravenshire - August 9, 2015 at 3:44 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - August 9, 2015 at 11:26 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 9, 2015 at 12:11 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Catholic_Lady - August 9, 2015 at 12:14 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - August 9, 2015 at 1:31 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 9, 2015 at 2:27 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - August 9, 2015 at 2:47 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 10, 2015 at 10:41 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - August 10, 2015 at 11:15 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 10, 2015 at 1:16 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Esquilax - August 9, 2015 at 4:33 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Catholic_Lady - August 9, 2015 at 4:54 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Ravenshire - August 9, 2015 at 5:33 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Catholic_Lady - August 9, 2015 at 5:35 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Ravenshire - August 9, 2015 at 5:46 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Catholic_Lady - August 9, 2015 at 6:00 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Ravenshire - August 9, 2015 at 6:22 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Catholic_Lady - August 9, 2015 at 6:45 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Ravenshire - August 9, 2015 at 7:06 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Catholic_Lady - August 9, 2015 at 8:50 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Esquilax - August 10, 2015 at 12:07 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Catholic_Lady - August 10, 2015 at 1:29 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 10, 2015 at 11:53 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 10, 2015 at 11:29 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Catholic_Lady - August 10, 2015 at 11:56 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 10, 2015 at 4:07 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 10, 2015 at 10:59 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by The Valkyrie - August 9, 2015 at 3:21 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 10, 2015 at 11:11 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Kingpin - August 8, 2015 at 5:21 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Catholic_Lady - August 8, 2015 at 5:33 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 8, 2015 at 10:10 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Catholic_Lady - August 8, 2015 at 10:11 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 8, 2015 at 10:34 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Catholic_Lady - August 8, 2015 at 10:44 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 8, 2015 at 11:10 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Catholic_Lady - August 8, 2015 at 11:14 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - August 9, 2015 at 11:25 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Catholic_Lady - August 9, 2015 at 11:37 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - August 9, 2015 at 1:19 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Catholic_Lady - August 9, 2015 at 2:06 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Cyberman - August 10, 2015 at 11:40 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Kingpin - August 8, 2015 at 5:34 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Catholic_Lady - August 8, 2015 at 5:44 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by MysticKnight - August 8, 2015 at 10:33 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Ravenshire - August 9, 2015 at 3:46 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by ErGingerbreadMandude - August 9, 2015 at 11:18 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Pyrrho - August 9, 2015 at 1:51 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by ErGingerbreadMandude - August 9, 2015 at 2:00 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by ErGingerbreadMandude - August 9, 2015 at 11:49 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Catholic_Lady - August 9, 2015 at 11:53 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by ErGingerbreadMandude - August 9, 2015 at 11:59 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Catholic_Lady - August 9, 2015 at 12:05 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by ErGingerbreadMandude - August 9, 2015 at 2:32 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 9, 2015 at 2:44 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by ErGingerbreadMandude - August 9, 2015 at 2:47 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 10, 2015 at 11:02 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Kingpin - August 9, 2015 at 5:42 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - August 9, 2015 at 6:00 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 10, 2015 at 11:34 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by McDoogins - August 9, 2015 at 9:44 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 10, 2015 at 11:40 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - August 10, 2015 at 11:46 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Catholic_Lady - August 10, 2015 at 11:03 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - August 10, 2015 at 11:17 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Catholic_Lady - August 10, 2015 at 11:28 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 10, 2015 at 12:12 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Catholic_Lady - August 10, 2015 at 1:22 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - August 10, 2015 at 11:36 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 10, 2015 at 1:20 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Longhorn - August 10, 2015 at 11:39 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 10, 2015 at 1:25 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Longhorn - August 10, 2015 at 1:53 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Kingpin - August 10, 2015 at 2:01 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 10, 2015 at 3:53 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 10, 2015 at 3:36 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - August 10, 2015 at 12:09 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - August 10, 2015 at 1:49 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Longhorn - August 10, 2015 at 2:06 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Kingpin - August 10, 2015 at 2:28 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - August 10, 2015 at 3:08 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Kingpin - August 10, 2015 at 3:17 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - August 10, 2015 at 2:11 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 10, 2015 at 10:00 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - August 10, 2015 at 10:34 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 10, 2015 at 11:38 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - August 10, 2015 at 11:48 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 11, 2015 at 9:07 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - August 11, 2015 at 11:55 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 11, 2015 at 10:40 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Longhorn - August 10, 2015 at 2:48 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Kingpin - August 10, 2015 at 3:06 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Longhorn - August 10, 2015 at 3:09 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Longhorn - August 10, 2015 at 3:33 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Kingpin - August 10, 2015 at 3:46 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - August 10, 2015 at 3:37 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Kingpin - August 10, 2015 at 4:03 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Wyrd of Gawd - August 11, 2015 at 11:40 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 10, 2015 at 10:09 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 10, 2015 at 11:42 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Minimalist - August 11, 2015 at 10:51 am
RE: If God changed his mind - by Drich - August 11, 2015 at 10:41 pm
RE: If God changed his mind - by Lemonvariable72 - August 31, 2015 at 3:54 pm

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