(August 19, 2015 at 7:40 pm)abaris Wrote:Can you name even one specific, and actual "secular ideologist"? Just because one has the brazen balls to speak for atheism in a country where Christians expect to have the final word on all public policies and proceedings does not make him a secular ideologist attempting to "force his view on others or on society at large". Nor is one doing the same when he insists that US Constitutional law be upheld and, when necessary, enforced.(August 19, 2015 at 7:36 pm)jiffy Wrote: Great clarification. Church as used here is the people that make up the church. Let's narrow it a bit and specify an evangelical fundamentalist for the purpose of this question.
I hold evangelical fundamentalists in the same regards as muslim fundamentalists or jewish ones.
Everyone feeling the need to force their view on others or on society at large is despicable. And I gladly extend the courtesy to secular ideologists also.
There are two types of ideas: there is fact, and there is non-fact. Facts are determined empirically, i.e, what the King James Version says verbatim is an empirical fact. That it doesn't represent a ghastly mountain of cruel bullshit is non-factual. Therefore, please don't waste other people's precious time trying to spin Bullshit Mountain as gold! 
