(September 29, 2015 at 8:43 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:(September 29, 2015 at 1:56 am)Godschild Wrote: From his own deluded mind, he saw the Germans as a superior race, he was an evolutionist and wanted to push evolution along by getting rid of the Jews and any other race he saw as inferior.
GC
I like that you call him an "evolutionist" as (in your mind) a counter argument to his motivations as a Christian. In your mind, he did it not based on his warped view of Christianity (despite clearly saying he was doing it for that reason), but because believed in evolution (a warped view of it). How can you think his view of Christianity is warped, then turn around and call him an "evolutionist"?
Do you seriously not understand how dishonest what you just said is? Are you honestly so blinded by your beliefs, or did you just not think it through? Hitler was a bigot and a psychopath, and he reached for popular justification wherever he could find it, in a mad grab for power. One of his justifications was Christianity, because he led a force of Christians-- that's why they had "God With Us" on their freakin' belt buckles and shouted the slogan as well.
The same is true for Stalin and Tariq ibn Ziyad (and atheist and a Muslim, respectively), or the Popes commanding Crusaders to go take the central trade routes in the "Holy Land"... as well as the Muslim leaders saying to take them back.
Haven't you ever heard of the saying, "a person living a lie to benefit himself."
I'm not going to say that Hitler didn't get some of his ideas from Christians who believed falsely that the Jewish race was a blight on the world, I'm sure he did, these wrong ideas had been going around for a long time, (even some of the early reformers had these ideas), throughout America, Europe, Russia.
Where did these ideas rise from, Darwinism. Now I'm not saying Darwin himself believe in eugenics yet there are those who have accused him of it. I'm not, I do not know enough about his personal thoughts. However his cousin was a different matter, he coined the term. He justified it by Darwin's evolutionism. Darwin's son gave the presidential address at the First International Congress of Eugenics, in London, before racial biologist from Germany and the United States.
Here's part of what he had to say, '... If we were to intentionally neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with overwhelming present evil. Hence we must bear without complaining the undoubtedly bad effects as the weak surviving and propagating their kind...'
Here's a quote from a Nazi propaganda film, 'In a few decades, mankind has sinned terribly against the law of natural selection. We haven't just maintained life unworthy of life, we have allowed it to multiply. The descendants of these sick people look like this!' Then these people they think unworthy of life are shown on the film.
The German youth were also told to confess the same thing: 'mankind has sinned terribly against the law of natural selection.
Now for the religious side of Hitler, Hitler was regarded as a substitute saviour- and Hitler believed the same. A Nazi leader quoted in J.P. Stern's, Hitler: The Fuhrer and the people, said: 'My belief is that our leader, Adolf Hitler, was given by fate to the German Nation as our saviour bringing light into darkness.'
This makes Hitler by biblical definition of an anti-christ, the prefix (anti) means instead of, ie. substitute, Hitler fits both meanings.
My whole point here is this, Hitler bastardized Christianity and the theory of evolution to gain what he and the leading people in Germany believed, that they were superior and the destruction of the Jews was justified in their deluded bastardization of both. So my original statement is true, without these details. There is an enormous amount of information about how Hitler and his cronies believed incorrectly that the theory of evolution ie. natural selection and Christianity gave him the right to exterminate the Jews.
Now if you are as smart as you say you are I think I've given you enough to at least look into this and I hope you will. I take it very personally when someone says Hitler was a Christian doing what Christians believe is right, when only a few and very few Christians believed that the Jews were bad for mankind before the theory of natural selection. There were more Christians who believed this after the theory of natural selection, wrongly believing, the Bible never calls for such a thing and the NT actually teaches otherwise. So we have supposed Christians and people like Hitler using the theory for their own agenda, falsely using it I might add, so both sides of this Hitler thing should be denouncing Hitler for what he was, an evil murderer finding false excuses to justify his delusion.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.


