RE: Are you okay with your (or your partner's) vajayjay?
October 7, 2015 at 10:05 am
(This post was last modified: October 7, 2015 at 10:53 am by MTL.)
(October 7, 2015 at 4:48 am)Parkers Tan Wrote:(October 7, 2015 at 3:11 am)MTL Wrote: Whereas, if I encountered some rednecky straight guy who couldn't even stand to be in the same room as a gay man (even if the straight guy didn't disagree with LGBT rights), I would encourage, given the opportunity, the straight man to question himself as to WHY simply being in the same room as a gay man was such a repulsive idea?
I'm just saying that people should be willing to ask THEMSELVES why they react with revulsion to things that might not be any threat to them....whether it's something sexual, or something mundane and banal.
This is quite the straw-man here. Finding gay sex repulsive inside oneself is not nearly the same as refusing to be in the same room with a gay person. Are you reading what I'm reading? So far as I can see, no one has said they wouldn't share the same space with a gay person.
My feelings are my own -- but "threatened" isn't one of them.
I've asked myself why I find gay sex repulsive for my own personal circumstances. I don't owe you any answers
If someone wants to call me a bigot because of that, great, have at it. I know myself, and I know they're wrong about me.
Acknowledged; I had some qualms about phrasing it like that, for that very reason;
however, it was merely meant as an example;
I am not suggesting, by any means, that anyone here IS such an individual,
afraid to be in the same room as a gay person.
I was going to go so far as to use the example of being repelled by the idea of performing oral sex on a member of the same gender, instead of merely being in the same room;
But of course people DO obviously have every right to naturally feel willingness or unwillingness to engage in the sexual activity of their choice; it is certainly a different matter from simply being in the same room as someone.
Personally, I once felt revulsion at the idea of going down on another woman,
but when I opened my mind and pushed myself to ask why it was repulsive,
I couldn't find a reason.
Now the idea doesn't bother me...but I didn't get to that point, overnight.
Being in the same room as a gay person never bothered me on an instinctual level,
so I never had to challenge myself on that one.
However, I can't ask everyone to push their own sexual boundaries, as I chose to ask of myself,
and I certainly hesitate to label someone as a bigot, simply because of the sexual boundaries they have chosen for themselves, as long as, as you observed, they are not trying to limit the freedoms of others.
Quote:(although I've given a couple, which you seem to have ignored)
I'm very sorry, I must have missed it. I didn't ignore you on purpose, at all.
I will try to find these, unless you feel like giving me the Post#.
I apologize if I missed your comments.
EDIT:
ok, I read back a bit, I think I know which comments you were referring-to:
On Pg 15, your Post# 149:
Is this the post you are referring-to?
First of all, I want to acknowledge the part of your post where you relate about abuse suffered in your youth;
I'm very sorry I missed this part, earlier.
Needless to say, suffering abuse makes "being open-minded" or "challenging yourself" on a boundary
MUCH more difficult to overcome.
I myself was raped by a man at 15; I am able to sympathize, and I'm so sorry you also suffered abuse, as well.
Personally, while I did hate men for many years, I overcame my experience with abuse;
however I also identify as a straight woman,
and my attraction for men likely facilitated my ability and willingness to recover, to some degree.
I can certainly see how a forced same-sex abuse situation would be more difficult for a straight man to overcome,
especially when you are already not bigoted against the LGBT, when you very easily could have become such,
and also when, unlike in my situation, there is no attraction to that gender to motivate your recovery.
Secondly, in the same post, you equate homophobia with bigotry.
That has been the bone of contention in this whole discussion, really.
Whether or not to rely upon the strict etymology of the word,
or it's practical, real-world application.
Please see my Post# 169, on Page 17, addressing my feelings on this part of the issue.