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Sam Harris & Maajid Nawaz on reforming Islam
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RE: Sam Harris & Maajid Nawaz on reforming Islam
(October 29, 2015 at 11:11 am)Rhythm Wrote: You think you can have an islam in which the authority of the state is greater than the authority of god?  Good, excellent, I don't think that's true - but I don't care if it isn't, I'll take it.  

Now what do we do about all the people who disagree with us, with rpgs, in the meantime?  We can't appeal to islam, apparently, their islam is already cool with whatever they're up to.

Actually there needs to be done two systematic approaches:

What is the goal of Prophets? To implement justice. Yet we know there codes of practice always changed and was not the same, different Messengers different codes suited for their society. Is it really possible to implement for example the exact tax of the Prophet to a time when we need health care, to build roads, to fund schools, etc... Or do we say all these things aren't necessary?

It's the same with progress with regards to slavery. The Quran says to free the slave is of the higher road. Then what of freeing all slaves. It seems the world no longer wants slavery and hence it's no longer necessary in the spirit of "respond/attack them in the manner they respond/attack you" to have slaves.

I feel we to call for reflection.  Some laws of course have to believed to never had any place in Islam in the first place like killing apostates, and some laws are obviously to be replaced by something we can better implement during this day and age.

We have to reflect, but I don't think throwing away all laws of the Quran or Sunnah is the way either. Rather somethings still apply to society today and somethings don't.

Also a lot of things were made up in the religion via hadiths, and we need to acknowledge those hadiths contradict both reason and Quran. As for the latter, let's appeal to the fact revelations of the past were distorted. So how do we know hadiths are immune?
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Sam Harris & Maajid Nawaz on reforming Islam - by mralstoner - October 28, 2015 at 11:23 pm
RE: Sam Harris & Maajid Nawaz on reforming Islam - by abaris - October 29, 2015 at 11:42 am
RE: Sam Harris & Maajid Nawaz on reforming Islam - by Regina - October 31, 2015 at 9:42 pm
RE: Sam Harris & Maajid Nawaz on reforming Islam - by MysticKnight - October 29, 2015 at 11:22 am
RE: Sam Harris & Maajid Nawaz on reforming Islam - by abaris - October 29, 2015 at 11:46 am
RE: Sam Harris & Maajid Nawaz on reforming Islam - by abaris - October 29, 2015 at 2:13 pm

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