Sam Harris & Maajid Nawaz on reforming Islam

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Ew.

Honestly speaking, if somebody after all this time, still believe that ISIS is a real "islamist group wanting to achieve a global caliphate", then that somebody needs to check their head asap.

Seriously. A group of flip-flot wearing militants, surviving the airstrikes of : 1-USA, 2-GULF COUNTRIES, 3-NATO, 4-UK...I mean...

Then surviving the land attacks of : 1-Syrian opposition, 2-Assad, 3-Iraq, 4-Iran & Shia....I mean..

1. When ISIS themselves declare this, then, well, what other conclusion do you want us to come to?
2. The military intervention isn't actually the point or the threat, it's the ideological premise which propagates which is the threat. SEE: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/184792347X/?tag=ecosia07-21 (excellent book, 100% recommend).

Ask yourself who's behind "Jihadi John" OP, because obviously Sam has no idea..Ironically, looks like ISIS has telekinesis powers allowing them to teleport across borders at any time, to cause the "correct disturbance" which gives the U.S or an ally the means to move.

Sorry Atlast I don't know what you mean. If you noticed in the past 4 years intervention in Syria has actually been non-existant from NATO or the US. It's only until relatively recently that the US has decided to bomb ISIS positions in central and North Eastern Syria, with only France (and to a very limited degree the UK) following suit. No other NATO nation is involved there aside Turkey who are more interested in bombing the Kurds into oblivion.

Talking of Kurds, remember when ISIS went into 100% genocide mode and tried to obliterate them? That was another reason why some Western forces decided to intervene, and even then a lot of it was entirely humanitarian (eg. Yazidis on MT Sinjar).

And now for a more contemporary angle, seems like the ones doing the most destructive things in Syria are not the west but rather Assad, Putin and ISIS (to varying degrees in various areas). The only places taking in refugees at the moment are Northern and Western Europe.

So to conclude, the US/NATO involvement in Syria and even Northern Iraq is almost non-existant aside some bombing campaigns and humanitarian aid drives (mostly by private organizations like Islamic Aid and MSF). The biggest players in the area are the Syrians themselves, now Russia, Iran, and the various rebel and terrorist groups which are involved in running battles throughout the country.

Hey..didn't ISIS branch from Al-Qaeda ? I mean, didn't the U.S support those same crazies or in other words : CREATE THEM ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_St....80.932006

The US did support the Mujahideen against the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 80s (anyone would have thought they'd have been grateful considering the the Soviet's brutal scorched earth policy which actually led the extremist Taliban getting into power. The US had little to do with that), but it certainly didn't 'create' IS or AQ. There's a complex set of events that led people like bin Laden to AQ, and there is absolutely no evidence that someone in the CIA met up with him and said "hay, bomb WTC would you so we can get [something] for [reasons]." Conspiratorial nonsense.

what is so funny, is that this is not a conspeicy theory..this is HISTORY. ISIS is a proxy, just like the proxies of South America that Che died fighting.
Let's be honest..who supports them with American weapons ?

No evidence of this. What is clear is that ISIS is NOT a proxy of the US. That's conspiratorial nonsense (again).

This is a crazy world, where not just cartoonist get shot, but actually little children in schools too (check American news).

Savor me this crap,OP. and Sam, I hope he's ignorant, because if not, then he's a lying hypocrite.

This is getting old. Focus on who's damaging the world for real.

or for a change, who turned his/her country into A WALKING TIME BOMB (Atomic Countries).

Illuminati confirmed.